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Would you bother?

    • 9115 posts
    February 28, 2019 4:07 AM PST

    If your character died in an extremely difficult area, would you bother to try and get your corpse back or just leave it to rot and take the exp hit/loot loss? #MMORPG #communitymatters

    • 1315 posts
    February 28, 2019 4:12 AM PST

    That really depends on how "extremely difficult" it really is and how hard it is to replace the gear.  4 hours of exp grinding might be worth while giving up on but gear representing 200+ hours of farming/camping not so much.

    • 769 posts
    February 28, 2019 4:20 AM PST

    If my gear is hard won, epic or otherwise unique, I will try to recover it. 

    When the location of my death is somewhere strategically important, in case of traversing something or if I was on my way to a killmob/quest update. I will try to recover it.

    I'll skip it on a low priority venture and take the loss as it is. Then again, what are the chances of being in this extremely difficult area on a low priority mission..

    Overall, considering your suggested scenario,... yes, corpserun it is. Untill I hit that brick wall of impossible.

    • 153 posts
    February 28, 2019 4:36 AM PST

    I would hack the code and put my corpse at my feet.

    • 438 posts
    February 28, 2019 4:59 AM PST
    Gotta get it back. At least the gear. Exp loss isn’t a big deal.
    • 1785 posts
    February 28, 2019 5:04 AM PST

    I would absolutely try to get it back.  It would eat at me if I just left it there.  That would be admitting defeat.

    • 40 posts
    February 28, 2019 5:06 AM PST

    Absolutely.  Everytime you make that run you'll be resolving to never let it happen again!!

    • 178 posts
    February 28, 2019 5:32 AM PST

    Never played seriously a game with loot drop on death, 

    when i played games with XP penalties, then it depends if I will be able to run away or i will die again, because if i will die again there is no point running to the corpse, just rezz at the shrine/ release and face the penalty instead of dying over and over.

    • 55 posts
    February 28, 2019 5:32 AM PST

    Unless your under lvl 20 when this happends you pretty much have to get that gear back, if at all possible, even if that means many many deaths that amount losing lvl's.

    I think many players would even indebt themselves considerably for help getting their corpse back. 

    Someone who helps a player get their corpse back from a tough spot can expect deep and heart felt gratitude.

    Someone who ditches out on a group mate for example leaving their cohorts corpse in a bad spot can expect everlasting hate that burns with the heat of a thousand suns.

     


    This post was edited by Talonguard at February 28, 2019 5:49 AM PST
    • 124 posts
    February 28, 2019 5:58 AM PST

    While I would say depending on the gear level...  On a level 10 on a brand new server every item and copper you have is important.  A level 10 alt...  who cares.

     

    Full loot & XP loss: I would try to get my corpse back (ask friends / strangers for help).

    XP Loss: If I had the time I might try (if in a full party I would help them get theirs if needed).

    Full loot: I would try to get my corpse back (ask friends / strangers for help).

     

    In the end, XP does not mean much to me because XP is easy to get.  Gear on the other hand can take hours, days, weeks, even months to get a specific item to drop.  I would do everything I could to get my gear back.  XP, I can lose without a 2nd thought.

    • 1281 posts
    February 28, 2019 6:14 AM PST

    Kilsin said:

    If your character died in an extremely difficult area, would you bother to try and get your corpse back or just leave it to rot and take the exp hit/loot loss? #MMORPG #communitymatters

     

    I absolutely would. I would keep trying until I got it or it rotted.

    • 1247 posts
    February 28, 2019 7:08 AM PST

    Kalok said:

    Kilsin said:

    If your character died in an extremely difficult area, would you bother to try and get your corpse back or just leave it to rot and take the exp hit/loot loss? #MMORPG #communitymatters

    I absolutely would. I would keep trying until I got it or it rotted.

    Yep, this. Absolutely.

    • 1921 posts
    February 28, 2019 7:16 AM PST

    Once the mechanics for Pantheon are confirmed, I'll offer an answer. :)

    Mostly because what's implied in the question is a Customer Service nightmare of epic proportions, given history.

    • 41 posts
    February 28, 2019 7:19 AM PST

    Yes, I'd try getting it back. Hopefully friends and/or guildmates are around to help if its the extreme.

    • 206 posts
    February 28, 2019 7:45 AM PST

    Nope nope nope, I could not take the loss. I would need to get it back somehow. I'd ask all my friends or guild to help etc. Unless i was like level 4 or something....I cant lose out on so much invested time. (assuming the gear was hard earned and had worth) 

    Also depends if there is a corpse summon ability added...say with the necro class...*wink wink* (^_-) 

    • 3852 posts
    February 28, 2019 7:48 AM PST

    What Trasak said. It isn't a matter of principle to me it is a matter of calculation. 

    Part of the calculation is the risk of dying *again* and losing even more. I will not willingly throw good money after bad I will curse and accept my losses and get on with things.

    • 2138 posts
    February 28, 2019 7:53 AM PST

    MMO Escort mission trope.

    Before there were escort missions, there was this. (hence, "corpse run" and the fear/motivation/caution to playing the game it created).

    This MMO trope was begotten from emergent game play because of the corpse run, and I think shoud stay there. (geared or higher players would escort the naked player back down to the players corpse, after the naked player had run back and asked strangers for help or was the only one that died in the group- provided the group had time-("sry, gotta camp, kids birthday, will help tomorrow, promise!")

    But in answer to your question, from levels 1 - 10, and if memory serves the armor I had was sparse maybe a quested small ring, maybe a small quested weapon, maybe a few-not complete- pieces of lowbie crafted patchwork armor, but nothing crucial that would only take time to replace: Yes, I would leave it.

    If higher in skill (levels?) where the armor and weapons took time and effort to replace? No, I would take whatever time or beg for players help I needed to get the corpse- and my hard worn stuff! back. Coincidentally I had experienced such a situation and a player offered to donate some and craft other- better armor and things that I had to the point of even filling in armor that I never had. Interestingly, I was hesitant to accept the offer, because of the importance I placed on the little armor I earned/achieved on my own through my normal play.

    Important caveat: throughout all this time I would know the ability to file a petition with a GM to see if I can get my corpse back is available, and I would not use that option untill I exhausted all the above player/community driven options I can think of.(queue's video song of "has anyone here seen my corpse")

      

    If I absolutely had to rely on a petitoon and GM support, I would also know to abide by the GM's final resolution. If the GM could get my corpse but not the exp- fine, I can always get the exp back. if the GM could not get corpse or items- I would be bummed and eventually stop internally moping (for I woud not want to burden other players with my woe lest I sound like a beggar) and go back and re-do those things to replace the stuff I did have. 

     

    • 627 posts
    February 28, 2019 8:08 AM PST
    If I lost my epic and raid tier items I would prolly quit the game..

    Xp lose and penalties om fine with but not item lose, that can be game ruining really fast. On pvp server it can prove even harder, and ppl could grief and camp your corpse until rot.. #NotFun
    • 287 posts
    February 28, 2019 8:16 AM PST

    If gear drops on the corpse then there is no choice.  Find some friends and get your corpse back.

    If gear does not drop on the corpse and the loss is purely experience then I'd have to consider how dangerous it is to get to.  If it's not so dangerous and I died because I screwed up then I'd go back for it.  If it's in a very dangerous area and I'm likely to get spanked again trying to get back a little EXP then I'd ignore it for a while, keep grinding and then go get it when it's easier to get to, assuming it hasn't already rotted by then. 

    I try not to leave little monuments to my failings littering the countryside.

    • 697 posts
    February 28, 2019 8:21 AM PST

    Well, since EQ had a ton of nasty places to die at for corpse running, I will say I only ever gave up twice, and this was at lower levels. One was lvl 6 going to Freeport from Qeynos and dying to a griffon, and the other was my corpse getting lost in BlackBurrow. Both times I had a rusty sword and some cloth that I got from skellys that I could just punch to death. So the lost was negligiable. 

    In terms of hard to get to places later in levels, the only big one was Plane of Fear. Because in POF you couldn't escape if you got slaughtered in the zone right away, since there was no safe spot really in POF. So that would be the only zone where corpse retrieving required you to wait for another guild to break into POF to secure your corpse. Luckily, since the corpse lasts around 7 days, you pretty much got your corpse back every time. In other zones, like POS, POH, or any big dungeon. You could pay a necro a few hundred plat and have them summon your corpse to you. 

    So at higher levels it was pretty non-existent in losing your corpse, unless you didn't know about necro corpse summoning. Now for this game it depends on what I have. If I have what I described at lvl 6, then no. I will punch some skellies for a weapon and begin anew. If it is much higher levels, then I will be in a guild so no matter what dungeon I am in I can get help if I need it. So I will always get my corpse back if I have hard to obtain loot, since its usually always easy, unless it is something like POF.

     

    • 123 posts
    February 28, 2019 11:01 AM PST

    I'd try to get it back, depending on how much time I spent building gear.

    Losing exp is nothing, losing hundreds of hours or even days of gear building would certainly be end of game for me.

    • 646 posts
    February 28, 2019 11:10 AM PST

    We're going to lose gear? Ew.

    There would be no option. I would get to my corpse.

    Honestly, if I lost all my gear and stuff, I'd seriously have to consider throwing in the towel and playing something else forever.


    This post was edited by Naunet at February 28, 2019 11:12 AM PST
    • 13 posts
    February 28, 2019 11:23 AM PST

    Depends how hard the gear is to replace.

     

    In EQ I never let a body rot even if it took a day or two to gather friends or get a higher level group to help recover it.

    In UO the loot was easy enough to replace that most times there was no reason to go back for the body and you didn't have XP to lose.

    • 73 posts
    February 28, 2019 11:33 AM PST
    Umm...I don’t plan on dieing, /slap, ok when I die, I absolutely will retrieve every corpse. I can’t stand leaving any behind!
    • 1456 posts
    February 28, 2019 11:57 AM PST

    Kilsin said:

    If your character died in an extremely difficult area, would you bother to try and get your corpse back or just leave it to rot and take the exp hit/loot loss? #MMORPG #communitymatters

    Is this even a serious question?

    Based on Brad saying they won't be having Gear loss (was that the word he used?) I can only take Kilsin at his words and take "Loot loss" as a pile of silk, coin, or what have you. So they can keep it, No I don't go back and risk dieing again for that.

    Experience is as much of a curse as it is a blessing, Expecially with no level loss, More often than not I out level an area before I grow tired of it so you can keep the exp. it means little to nothing to me. So again No I don't go after it.

    Exceptions to this could be if one of those Loot items I would loose was a hard to get item for some epic type quest. But chances are I would be keeping those in the bank.

    Based on what I have heard of their plans, I will be doing very few corpse runs.