Nephretiti said:I would love to see this as part of the phone ap - access to buying/selling and safe travles to access regional AH/banking. Needless to say, "safe travle" should carry some risk - loss of coinage, some other nagative aspects etc.
No.
I peronally used a person who was willing to be a broker. I bet you anything that, just like in EQ, there will be people who love buying and selling and will offer to be a broker for you with like a 5% - 10% cut.
I know people who made a killing doing that type of stuff and became very rich off of selling others people stuff for a cut.
Syrif said:Grimseethe said: I was watching some YouTube videos about trading in pantheon and the Dev was describing games were you literally had to stand at the AH and sell the items yourself. I also saw a comment of someone who wanted your items to disappear from AH if you logged off. I get people want immersion but keep in mind people have jobs and other commitments. Mmos are games you play for years and if you honestly think you're going to want to stand in an auction house for hours selling stuff, then I think maybe you haven't thought this through. What's fun and something of a novelty now, might be a agonising chore in a few months/years. I liked the ideas of auctions being local to each node. But honestly if stuff starts disappearing when I log off or if I have to physically stand their and play vendor for hours, I'm just going to avoid selling things altogether. Maybe being a merchant is something you enjoy, but for most it won't be.No offense to you, but I disagree with you 100%. We had to sell items ourselves back in the old-school days. We had jobs, commitments, and obligations "then" as we do now. This has not changed. What we need is an updated vendor system that requires more player interaction as it did in old-school gameplay. Games such as WoW and EQ-Live use bots - that is not what we need in Pantheon. Vendor bots already exist; we need something that doesn't exist right now.
I always like the idea of the Devs taking controll of the AH by doing maintence on the NPC buy/sell costs. Then it can also can be used as a Economy Control. That eliminates people from undercutting eachother by 25 plat just cause they set up their AH 5 minutes later.
Like for Item A, Npcs could be buying them for 1200plat(plus of minus some sort of faction/charisma modifier, as well as an instock modifier) and then a player could buy them for 1900(before modifiers).
Maybe I don't like that idea now that I typed it. Its the fundamental idea behind npc's to begin with but I've never seen any devs take control of a system like that and really control item flow and game economy with it like they could. All you need is one employee with an accounting degree(who enjoys markets like they're engaging and rewarding puzzles) to be updating hot items: Someone to account for what items are being camped the most and adjust accordingly, every patch.
Might be a lot cheaper then the maintence and bugs involved in running a bazaar zone that is always flexing on zone pop, but honestly thats speculation and I know close to nothing about those sorts of expenditures.
Regardless,
It was probably pretty cool to ride your horse into the city and get to work on loading and unloading trains for your job, but that would be completely ridiculous in 2018.
Maybe keep that system on the backburner and Let an EC Tunnel come about on its own, however some sort of system needs to be in place eventually.
There needs to be something better then EC Tunnel. Most of the people that want EC Tunnel are swindlers and scammers who dont like equal market and trade. People who ask for offers on less then uncommon gear to check their recipients knowledge and to see if they have a mark. F those people, they get off on ripping people off. Youre the same salesman today who sells LED lights out of his truck and hopes your potential clients doesnt know what the internet is yet, in fact he trains his employees with "dont EVER mention the internet". Distribution Cronieism really.
I think a lot of you forgot about the reality of OOC trade due to nostalgia. "Player interaction is lost" You mean arguing over prices and getting ripped off all the time? Dont forget to ask a new trader trying to sell his bronze armor to see the stats of some of his gear, that way when you cancel trade his gear goes in his bag slots and his bags full of his hard farmed broze get dropped on the ground.
EDIT Im a bad spellar
Watemper said:Nephretiti said:I would love to see this as part of the phone ap - access to buying/selling and safe travles to access regional AH/banking. Needless to say, "safe travle" should carry some risk - loss of coinage, some other nagative aspects etc.
No.
I peronally used a person who was willing to be a broker. I bet you anything that, just like in EQ, there will be people who love buying and selling and will offer to be a broker for you with like a 5% - 10% cut.
I know people who made a killing doing that type of stuff and became very rich off of selling others people stuff for a cut.
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Ah! Ok, I understand what you are saying. You are hoping to make a small fortune off of others by buying/selling/delivery etc. I can dig it. I was lucky enough to bind myself in the "pot room" in Timorous Deep the night Kunark opened. Hours later they made the whole zone no-bind. But since I had already done it etc. I set up a delivery service and made a fortune from buyers/sellars by porting quickly from town to town. I get where your coming from. I don't know if I agree with it - but I do understand what you are going for here. We didn't have phone aps etc. "back in the day". I think it would be nice to try this - before some private entity sets up an app to do the same thing. If it doesn't work out to well, VR could always shut it down. No harm in trying.
Grimseethe said: No matter how much free time you, which wasn't really the point, poor wording on my part. You're not going to enjoy standing at a stall selling items for hours each time you need to sell items. Years from now, can you honestly say "yeah I get to stand still and sell things" I couldn't, which is why a best of both worlds scenario would be best I feel. Being able to hire npcs to sell for you, is one idea I mentioned and auctions being limited to each city. These alone would be perfect for me.
Yes, I can honestly say I enjoy bartering with people and looking for buy low/sell high scenarios. I had a great time dealing with other traders. I had a great time getting to know who sold what items on a regualr basis and setting up side deals with them to supply to me directly. There is something to be said for being social in an MMO.
NPC's to sell stuff for players on an individual basis could be alright as long as they are spread out through a city so there has to be some time put into checking out all the "vendors". I really, really dislike one common place for things to be sold in an automated fashion because of the reasons I said before, which include the ability to control most of a commodity on an entire server by walking up to one vendor and clicking buy until all of said item are yours.
How about this idea. For most of each month, you use a regional AH in starting cities that can be in KoS areas that charges a x% commision , or you can /auc as you go through zones. But once a month, or every other month, for 7 days, there's a global Auction/Fair where you can globally list your items at 0% commision. It could be like a flea market that comes to the State Fairgrounds every once in a while.
Nephretiti said:Watemper said:Nephretiti said:I would love to see this as part of the phone ap - access to buying/selling and safe travles to access regional AH/banking. Needless to say, "safe travle" should carry some risk - loss of coinage, some other nagative aspects etc.
No.
I peronally used a person who was willing to be a broker. I bet you anything that, just like in EQ, there will be people who love buying and selling and will offer to be a broker for you with like a 5% - 10% cut.
I know people who made a killing doing that type of stuff and became very rich off of selling others people stuff for a cut.
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Ah! Ok, I understand what you are saying. You are hoping to make a small fortune off of others by buying/selling/delivery etc. I can dig it. I was lucky enough to bind myself in the "pot room" in Timorous Deep the night Kunark opened. Hours later they made the whole zone no-bind. But since I had already done it etc. I set up a delivery service and made a fortune from buyers/sellars by porting quickly from town to town. I get where your coming from. I don't know if I agree with it - but I do understand what you are going for here. We didn't have phone aps etc. "back in the day". I think it would be nice to try this - before some private entity sets up an app to do the same thing. If it doesn't work out to well, VR could always shut it down. No harm in trying.
I am a dungeon crawler and raider.. I never will be a broker type of person. Not my thing. But others will like it probably. I also am usually pretty poor in all the games I play. But I don't really care because I usually get top end gear and trade favors and stuff among friends for crafting stuff if I need them.
LucasBlackstone said:Grimseethe said: No matter how much free time you, which wasn't really the point, poor wording on my part. You're not going to enjoy standing at a stall selling items for hours each time you need to sell items. Years from now, can you honestly say "yeah I get to stand still and sell things" I couldn't, which is why a best of both worlds scenario would be best I feel. Being able to hire npcs to sell for you, is one idea I mentioned and auctions being limited to each city. These alone would be perfect for me.
Yes, I can honestly say I enjoy bartering with people and looking for buy low/sell high scenarios. I had a great time dealing with other traders. I had a great time getting to know who sold what items on a regualr basis and setting up side deals with them to supply to me directly. There is something to be said for being social in an MMO.
NPC's to sell stuff for players on an individual basis could be alright as long as they are spread out through a city so there has to be some time put into checking out all the "vendors". I really, really dislike one common place for things to be sold in an automated fashion because of the reasons I said before, which include the ability to control most of a commodity on an entire server by walking up to one vendor and clicking buy until all of said item are yours.
This is kind of why I was saying earlier that a system that allows players to do this, without fully automating it, will be great.
There are plenty of players who love trade in any game. Why not let them be market makers and help facilitate this. Sell my stuff for a percentage of the profit so I can focus my time elsewhere. It would be awesome. Maybe in some cases they decide to buy the item directly to flip it for a profit, or they choose to sell it and take a percentage (consignment). Let them be the market makers and give them the right tools to do it.