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Quality of Life

    • 560 posts
    October 31, 2018 9:46 PM PDT

    Porygon said:

    starblight said:

    We used the ability to turn off exp gain not only to prevent out leveling friends but also to keep an area challenging. For example we might start exploring a dungeon slightly before the level that would be recommended but before we wanted to move on we would have out leveled it. So we turn off our exp gain once we hit what we felt was a perfect challenge for us. If we found the dungeon deeper got to hard it was easy to solve by turning exp back on and gaining levels. I realize it might not be needed but I feel it should be a easy thing to add and I think people would be surprised how much they use it. I know it surprised us when we did but we ened up using it all the time.

    Wouldn't a mentor system accomplish the exact same thing.  If you want to be level 15 to go through a dungeon... just mentor to 15.  No need for an exp stop mechanic.

    I think it is important to be clear I am not suggesting it replace other mechanics like mentoring. But to answer your question no I do not think it would accomplish the exact same thing. While mentoring you would still gain experience and go up levels. If your goal was to stay the same level to ether not out level a friend that is offline or to keep an area at preferred challenge gaining experience would not meet the goal.

    I will note that another cool thing DDO did that dose have a similar effect. It let you gain the experience for leveling but until you talked to a trainer you did not level. It had a limit of two levels you could store before you stopped gaining experience but it a lot of times was enough. Now that I think about it EQ had AA’s that could be used as well to maintain a level but was not usable until level 50. So unless AA’s could be started at a much lower level I feel this would not be an ideal replacement. I do like that even though you needed a lot of experience to gain an AA at level 50 so it was not a good idea, you still felt like you were gaining something.

    • 1860 posts
    October 31, 2018 10:25 PM PDT

    starblight said:

    Porygon said:

    Wouldn't a mentor system accomplish the exact same thing.  If you want to be level 15 to go through a dungeon... just mentor to 15.  No need for an exp stop mechanic.

     I do not think it would accomplish the exact same thing. While mentoring you would still gain experience and go up levels. If your goal was to stay the same level to ether not out level a friend that is offline or to keep an area at preferred challenge gaining experience would not meet the goal.

    Maybe you don't understand how mentoring will work as far as how VR has discussed it? 

    The higher lvl player simply delevels themselves temporarily to the lvl of the lower lvl person.  It wouldn't matter if you out leveled your friend.  You can always play together at the same lvl. 

    Also, as long as the lower lvl person hasn't out leveled an area, both of you are able to play that content at the proper challenge lvl.  We don't know specifics but, even if you did both out lvl an area, you simply have to find a lower lvl person to group with so that you can delevel to their lvl in order to play the content at the proper challenge lvl.

    • 560 posts
    November 1, 2018 12:16 AM PDT

    philo said:

    Maybe you don't understand how mentoring will work as far as how VR has discussed it? 

    The higher lvl player simply delevels themselves temporarily to the lvl of the lower lvl person.  It wouldn't matter if you out leveled your friend.  You can always play together at the same lvl. 

    Also, as long as the lower lvl person hasn't out leveled an area, both of you are able to play that content at the proper challenge lvl.  We don't know specifics but, even if you did both out lvl an area, you simply have to find a lower lvl person to group with so that you can delevel to their lvl in order to play the content at the proper challenge lvl.

     

    It sounds like mentoring would work like other games so I think I have an idea on how it would work, based on your description. Mentoring would need a player that is the correct level for this to work. Seeing as I typically play with the same people it is likely we would not have room in the group for this to work.

    I find it interesting that this one item I listed in my earlier post is warranting this kind of attention. I always assumed stopping experience gain was not commonly used but I am beginning to think it was much rarer to use then I thought. I would love to know if others have ever used it in Vanguard or something like it in other games.

     

     


    This post was edited by Susurrus at November 1, 2018 12:18 AM PDT
    • 1714 posts
    November 1, 2018 9:52 AM PDT

    You should not be able to instantly mail something to someone anywhere in the world. 

    • 1120 posts
    November 1, 2018 4:41 PM PDT

    starblight said:

    It sounds like mentoring would work like other games so I think I have an idea on how it would work, based on your description. Mentoring would need a player that is the correct level for this to work. Seeing as I typically play with the same people it is likely we would not have room in the group for this to work.

    I find it interesting that this one item I listed in my earlier post is warranting this kind of attention. I always assumed stopping experience gain was not commonly used but I am beginning to think it was much rarer to use then I thought. I would love to know if others have ever used it in Vanguard or something like it in other games.

    I understand WHY you want to stop experience.  But mentoring essentially does the same thing, just better.  No matter what level you are, you can always mentor down to a friends level.  If you really like doing black rose keep at 15, just join a group of 15s and mentor down.

    The only benefit to stopping experience is for twinking various lower level pvp brackets, which shouldnt be a concern here since pantheon is primarily pve focused. 

    • 646 posts
    November 1, 2018 5:01 PM PDT

    starblight said:It sounds like mentoring would work like other games so I think I have an idea on how it would work, based on your description. Mentoring would need a player that is the correct level for this to work. Seeing as I typically play with the same people it is likely we would not have room in the group for this to work.

    In some MMOs, you don't need a low level player to mentor to. You simply right click on your character unit frame, select "level sync" or whatever you want to call it, and then type in the level you want to sync down to.

    • 560 posts
    November 1, 2018 6:53 PM PDT

    Porygon said:

    starblight said:

    It sounds like mentoring would work like other games so I think I have an idea on how it would work, based on your description. Mentoring would need a player that is the correct level for this to work. Seeing as I typically play with the same people it is likely we would not have room in the group for this to work.

    I find it interesting that this one item I listed in my earlier post is warranting this kind of attention. I always assumed stopping experience gain was not commonly used but I am beginning to think it was much rarer to use then I thought. I would love to know if others have ever used it in Vanguard or something like it in other games.

    I understand WHY you want to stop experience.  But mentoring essentially does the same thing, just better.  No matter what level you are, you can always mentor down to a friends level.  If you really like doing black rose keep at 15, just join a group of 15s and mentor down.

    The only benefit to stopping experience is for twinking various lower level pvp brackets, which shouldnt be a concern here since pantheon is primarily pve focused. 

    I have never tried pvp in a MMO so not sure how that works but seeing as mentoring still requires another person to be at the level I will have to disagree on it doing the same thing.

    • 560 posts
    November 1, 2018 7:05 PM PDT

    Naunet said:

    starblight said:It sounds like mentoring would work like other games so I think I have an idea on how it would work, based on your description. Mentoring would need a player that is the correct level for this to work. Seeing as I typically play with the same people it is likely we would not have room in the group for this to work.

    In some MMOs, you don't need a low level player to mentor to. You simply right click on your character unit frame, select "level sync" or whatever you want to call it, and then type in the level you want to sync down to.

     

     Now this might be a way for mentoring to replace no experience gain toggle. I think I would like this option. It would depend on the specifics on how mentoring works but I think I would like this more.

    • 77 posts
    November 1, 2018 9:59 PM PDT

    No quality of life features!  (just kidding)

    • LFG Tool? - NO
    • Fast Travel? - NO
    • DPS Meter? - NO
    • LFG Tool? - NO
    • In-game mail for text- YES
    • In-game mail for items and gold - NO
    • Pre-populated MAP - NO
    • Blank MAP that reveals as you explore - YES
    • LFG Tool? - NO
    • Fulll Party & Raid UI feature set? - YES (Of course I don't know where we draw the line between QOL and core gameplay and "dumbed" down gameplay)
    • Chat management features? - YES
    • Guild management features? - YES
    • LFG Tool? - NO
    • Coin Weight? - No opinion
    • GLOBAL Auction House? - NO
    • LOCAL Auction House? - YES (there is probably an interaction with in-game mail that needs to be examined first)
    • Auto Loot? - NO
    • Group Loot rules? - YES
    • Raid Loot rules? - YES
    • Customizable UI? - YES
    • 3rd Party Mods? - NO, NO, NO
    • Significant Death Penalty? (i.e. severe to moderate) - YES
    • Downtime for HP & MANA regen between pulls? - YES
    • LFG Tool? - NO
    • Cosmetic items? NO! Definitely not. 
    • Transmog? NO! Definitely not. 
    • 560 posts
    November 1, 2018 10:47 PM PDT

    Sodalis

    Based on your repeated no for LFG tool I am curious what example you would use to describe a LFG tool. I am also curious if you have ever experienced the LFG tools in EQ and City of Heroes?

    • 1120 posts
    November 2, 2018 3:17 PM PDT

    Most people that say they do NOT want an LFG tool are referring to wows system of automatically finding players for you.

    They are not thinking of the LFG tool window that everquest had, since not alot of people used this that often.

    I have to assume this is what's happening. Since I cant imagine why someone wouldn't want a window showing whos /lfg as opposed to /who'ing for it.

    • 560 posts
    November 2, 2018 4:38 PM PDT

    @Porygon

    This was my thoughts as well. I for one also did not like the automatic system that wow had.

    • 1120 posts
    November 3, 2018 11:37 AM PDT

    starblight said:

    @Porygon

    This was my thoughts as well. I for one also did not like the automatic system that wow had.

    Tbh I did not mind it at first.  But as the game became more watered down so did the players.   And that's when it really became bad.

    Wow was also a pretty linear game in terms of group makeup, tank, healer, dps.  Classes didnt entirely matter.  So it made sense for that game.  I just dont see it working with pantheon.