I'm going to be straight up with you all here. I'm currently not enjoying the fact that I have no friends to group with in World of Warcraft, let alone any friends to hang out with in real life and hang, go out with, but, I try to deal with that knowing that I can not have any expectations from people, because everyone chooses to make their own personal choices to maintain their sanity or well-being in place. Which is okay. They can do whatever they feel like doing and that's TOTALLY FINE by me. I really can't force anyone to be there with me whenever I need them.
I can only start with how I think WoW's system is utterly flawed and detrimetal to it's own community and I honestly couldn't tell you why that is, because I don't know what exactly it is that people decide to be toxic at times and egotistic when it comes to finding a circle of friends, but, I can only say the game play system and with how you progress in the game makes you, for starters, solo your way up to max level, gear up, work on additional things your character might need to, to get to the meta level and be able to be somewhat self suffient while dealing with how certain mechanics in the game work... is pure garbaged puke mixed with toxic waste where an elephant dropped a giant crackalacked pile of $#!t. (I'm sorry for the imaginatory picture there). I just think it has probably been my demise as a player, a comrad, a friend and a believer of having a great time with people, which I still believe its gotta exist somewhere. I have gone through place to place to try to find that certain fit I relate with the most and because, I, for one, have always tried to be a substantial member to any community, I have always gotten the short end of the stick, because.... I honestly couldn't tell you.. sometimes I think it's because people are just plainly selfish or I'm destined to be alone the rest of my life... which I really don't think I deserve that as no one else does, either.
A lot of the times I get mistaken and taken for crazy or weird but yet all the time I always seeked that certain flame of community and good vibes I once had, has not made me give up. Even though it feels like someone hitting your head with a bat each time people decide to be rude or just plainly reject you because everyone just wants to rush through content to gain that self accomplishment but yet forget about the community or the people getting acquainted when you first join a Guild. All I have to say, it's sad, pathetic, toxic and selfish, that people think they can get away with it without thinking of a person who would probably give their all for the Guild and yet they seem to let that go and give you that bat in the back. I've felt that so many times and yet I try to persevere with my goals and maybe I am actually toruting myself with it but I have always tried to look at the positive side of things and that ALL that being mentioned has been my worst enemy that I have ever encountered in my life time as a Monophobic and that's because I'm well aware of where this world is heading and as the person that I am I havr made sure that I took the promise that no one was going to change the person that I am because I know I worked for it hard and I have always kept in mind that I have seen things that a lot of people disregard and let things go carelessly of the other peoples thoughts and feelings and I have yet persevered to do the right thing.
In all story short: I hope one day I won't become selfish and decide to become this huge monster in the room where I've been the one that felt all this egotistic and erronous behaviour people take for granted when they talk someone down or express hate to you. But let that not alarm you because I'm coming in hot and I got a bigger plan to unite people to become a great community and a world we can all live in peace while knowing we can see each other eye to eye and say we made it.
Thank you very much for your time on reading this and I hope I didn't make anyone upset with what I said but I'm hoping and looking forward to meeting you all and having a great time. Much love y'all!
Sincerely,
Your humble friend, comrad and brethren Wizard AND Necromancer, BigBadAzz1 <3
EDITED: For $#!ts and giggles ;)
BigBadAzz1 said: I got a bigger plan to unite people to become a great community and a world we can all live in peace while knowing we can see each other eye to eye and say we made it.
There will be many in Pantheon who seek friends and guildies like you. You're not alone or weird. If you have listened to the old vids, where Brad talked about the kind of community he hoped to see in Pantheon, you would recognize it as home. Many of us do. Hang in there, my friend.
Here's the advice of a man who was told at age 21 that he only had a couple years left to live, due to a disease that would soon leave him paralyzed and helpless. Instead of accepting that, he kept learning, became a world-reknowned physicist and cosmologist, made discoveries, wrote books, got married (twice), had 3 children, and finally died at age 76. After surviving 50 years with the disease that was going to "kill him soon".
"We are very, very small. But we are profoundly capable of very, very big things.. However bad life may seem, while there is life, there is hope. Be brave, be curious, be determined, overcome the odds. It can be done." ~ Stephen Hawking
BigBadAzz1 said:.. is pure garbaged puke mixed with toxic waste where an elephant dropped a giant crackalacked pile of food. (I'm sorry for the imaginatory picture there).
Don't you dare apologize for such a wonderful word salad as that, it was a joy to read and now I want to be your friend.
I personally create a spreadsheet, names go on the sheet in alphabetical order with columns and a grading system so I can sort by type and charisma and communication etc. I've done this for years, even if just a paper scap for a console game. I too hope and believe VR will have a modern grouping tool so I can have fun with others as I level because I'm sure others will level faster than I.
My advice would be to know thyself and look for others with similar or compatible levels of crazy. Because everyone I've known is bonkers in some way or another so just find the bonker brains out there that can make you laugh. "Crackalacked elephant food" shockingly silly.
Thankfully, inroads to finding this is somewhat easy in an MMO. well, an MMO so designed *ahem* with say, class dependency/limitations, most non-soloable content, slow progression but with all that, the above can be achieved socially by one, making time for another. Of course the problem is making time for many and none making time for you in return, but that is the gambit. Hopefully there will be some that will also make time for you to do your things and there wil be some non-forced reciprocity. I have seen a pleasant situation where it trends into the "chip and dale" dynamic for a bit (after you, no after you, nononono I insist after you) before balancing out.
The challenge is, if you are a good player having patience with those that seek you out for help that are not so swift. And if a casual player, seeking out the uber player in a top end guild for help and the pressure to impress so they might be willing to help you again, or even ask if you are free in the future. In either case its the players knowledge of that dynamic in place and the "role" they must play or the humility/noblesse oblige that determines how it ends up and if they become "friends" in game.
Manouk said:Thankfully, inroads to finding this is somewhat easy in an MMO. well, an MMO so designed *ahem* with say, class dependency/limitations, most non-soloable content, slow progression but with all that, the above can be achieved socially by one, making time for another. Of course the problem is making time for many and none making time for you in return, but that is the gambit. Hopefully there will be some that will also make time for you to do your things and there wil be some non-forced reciprocity. I have seen a pleasant situation where it trends into the "chip and dale" dynamic for a bit (after you, no after you, nononono I insist after you) before balancing out.
The challenge is, if you are a good player having patience with those that seek you out for help that are not so swift. And if a casual player, seeking out the uber player in a top end guild for help and the pressure to impress so they might be willing to help you again, or even ask if you are free in the future. In either case its the players knowledge of that dynamic in place and the "role" they must play or the humility/noblesse oblige that determines how it ends up and if they become "friends" in game.
Okay... I'm trying to understand what you're saying and to summarize it from what I understood is: there's some things where you might be right but other points you probably are pointing out things that only pertain to a certain type of "plan" I should have to get everything in "return"by helping someone and get help back, right? Umm, I'm not sure what game you're talking about or do I fully understand what is it that you mean by all that but... my point is that I've tried everything possible to make friends, work a certain way to achieve things solo or in group and I can not express how much that has been a detriment to my play time. All I know is that whether there's positives or negatives of the situation I think whatever anyoner has to say about this particular subject is that: Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody's got one.
But of course, there are those who don't see the bigger picture, which falls into the category of having differences, which to my truth.. there's none.
BigBadAzz1 said:Manouk said:
Okay... I'm trying to understand what you're saying
that's ok, I understand *scuffs foot, slightly abashed*. It has been said I need a decoder ring at times *smiles sheepishly*. Generally im saying: yes, sometimes you put out more than you get back and the adage "you get back what you put out", does not hold in a modern MMO. So you are inclined to not make an effort for strangers unless they eventually return the favor in a similarly significant way at some point. Othertimes, it just clicks.
What I see in this community are alot of like minded people so I dont forsee alot of, mis-clicks (mis-cliques?), so to speak amongst the core. However to your point, such animosity is exacerbated in a MMO where the population is large. There is more hay in which to find the needle and that can be discouraging. (Decoder ring available on Youtube, planar campaign 4th year anniversary video)
I was streaming eq p99 today a random person was in kurns and said hey im going to kill these mobs for bone chips anyways want me to pl you! So about 30 minutes later a monk in the zone ran by i invited him to the group there was no need for me too 30 minutes later we had two more another necromancer and a shaman. The point is I included others in my process even though it wasnt a huge benefit too me but we did kill things much quicker . We chatted and had a good time made some friends. Also on being weird I am of the opinion that everyone is of their own particular form of weirdness! So yes you are weird but so is everyone! If your going to have a good community like pantheon will I hope it should benefit you to make friends for leveling purposes which will hopefully turn into friendships with time. Be kind to others and kindness will return too you!
stonetothebone85 said:I was streaming eq p99 today a random person was in kurns and said hey im going to kill these mobs for bone chips anyways want me to pl you! So about 30 minutes later a monk in the zone ran by i invited him to the group there was no need for me too 30 minutes later we had two more another necromancer and a shaman. The point is I included others in my process even though it wasnt a huge benefit too me but we did kill things much quicker . We chatted and had a good time made some friends. Also on being weird I am of the opinion that everyone is of their own particular form of weirdness! So yes you are weird but so is everyone! If your going to have a good community like pantheon will I hope it should benefit you to make friends for leveling purposes which will hopefully turn into friendships with time. Be kind to others and kindness will return too you!
Hell yeah, man. I'm totally up there with ya. One thing I learned about being weird, bro... is that the reazlity of it is no one is weird... we just have different ways of expressing ourselves.. but of course, we're all known to call people weird because each person is unusual from everyone else.. some people just don't see that. ;)
When EQ launch and I logged in for the first time and was able to interact with another human it was awesome. They didn't have to be a self proclaimed hardcore elite person. They did need to have the best breastplate. Just the fact theyI can make a world dynamic with human interaction was huge.
Roll forward 20 years. The anonymity of the interment brings the worse out of people. Many don't understand, because they have never been without their internet.
When I am playing an MMORPG I love the sense of accomplishment of leveling up and defeating content. But first, it is about people. Who are infinately more interesting than the content itself. Who can I help? where can I be useful. These are the best quests. It's not about me, (well it is about me but,) it's about the MMORPG experience.
I think some players play the game wrong, when it's just about the XP, just about min/max numbers, getting to endgame (i dislike that term endgame for MMORPGs, Chess yes there is an endgame) Those things exsist, but it's not above being and acting like a human towards others.
"Well people need to understand their class and role and no waste my time, because they are not trying hard. I am a elite player and don't have the time for casuals who don't care. I don't have time to help you learn how to play a class, get on the internet and come prepared. there is noway you are going to be able to keep up healing me with the gear you got.. so I am kicking you from the group."
These type of players suck. They are so caught up in themselves, they forget to give back and treat people humanely. They don't realize that true leaders help make the people around them better. They don't really understand what it means to human online, becuase they don't do that in online games. They only do that in real life, if they do it at all.
Maybe Pantheon with come out with "Community and friendship" server.
Sorry, a bit of rant, but it is more about friendships. I have been a anti-bully for a long time.
Right, I played EverQuest when Underfoot was at it's last stage and stopped playing until Empires of Kunark where I gave up on trying to find that sense of teamwork I so much seeked. While of course I wanted to play high end stuff too. A lot of the times I felt alone yes, but I met some of the coolest people along the way and that means all the guilds I was in. I had this idea stuck in my head that I wanted to find a static group to run things but things just didn't pan out as I expected. So, I went from guild to guild until I knew I was sure that there was no other alternative but to join the #1 guild and because of how it panned out, I realized that I had lost that last hope of finding that group I could advance with when new expansions came out. It made it and it was very grindy for me.. so I decided to move on and I thought about World of Warcraft having so many players and that was it.
I mean, did I ever find that so much desired group? No, but I did meet some of the coolest people though, and I miss that type of community so bad, because we all used to have fun in our own ways and many different vibes to go around. Some crazy and some just peaceful to be around. I really hope this game brings some of that back.
I really do think the key to bringing back the good old days is going to be community. The game has to be designed in ways that support community, encourage the gathering of people, "force" us to work together and get to know each other. Make us excited when we see that "[Friend's Name Here] has logged in" message. If we can get to that point we'll have plenty of people we call friend in Terminus. I'm looking forward to it!
Ranarius said:I really do think the key to bringing back the good old days is going to be community. The game has to be designed in ways that support community, encourage the gathering of people, "force" us to work together and get to know each other. Make us excited when we see that "[Friend's Name Here] has logged in" message. If we can get to that point we'll have plenty of people we call friend in Terminus. I'm looking forward to it!
Ditto, bro!
I always beleived that the early game was the most important in making friends. As people were more forgiving as, you and they, learned the intricacies of the game and your characters. Often times it was these times that, communication and learning, formed the bonds between players.
Many people get way too serious later in the game. When the game is work or no fun, I move on.
If someone starst screaming "MORE DOTS" at me, they will get a LOUD "LEROY JENKINS" shout out. :)
Fulton said:I always beleived that the early game was the most important in making friends. As people were more forgiving as, you and they, learned the intricacies of the game and your characters. Often times it was these times that, communication and learning, formed the bonds between players.
Many people get way too serious later in the game. When the game is work or no fun, I move on.
If someone starst screaming "MORE DOTS" at me, they will get a LOUD "LEROY JENKINS" shout out. :)
Rightfully so, in your defense lol.. nothing wrong with that haha
"And my axe!!"
You have my axe, brother. I'd love to group/guild/play with you and likeminded people.
What killed WoW in the community regard is the focus on coddling to the most casual of player. The group finder tool and cros-server instancing allowed everyone to be anonymous and instead of forming relationships people just zerged through instances without saying a word to each other, literally not one word, only to disband and never see each other again.
In Pantheon I look forward to all the new friendships and memories we will forge together. You are not alone, we are many, and we will ride together again and hopefully for many years to come.
Exactly! I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so. :)
I do agree with how games these days, there really is no community. It is all about how fast one can get to the end, become #1, have the best equipment, etc. I remember in EQ sitting at Orc 1 and 2 camps at East Commons, and just killing for exp in a group. Yes, sometimes you grouped with people for that one time and it was done. Other times you found yourself grouping with the same people and slowly became friends. The other memory, which is a bit later on in EQ life is when did the Fabled events, I was in LGuk with a group framing each of the named. The community created a list for each named and when each person got that item. No one was in the same guild it was just a group of people who as others showed up/left, the names would change on the list. It was fun because you were all working on something together in a way. As others have said, now when groups happen, there's no chatting at all. It's just silence. Partly because I think games have become more twitch-based and so you really need discord or some voice audio as you don't have time to type like you used to in EQ.
I am looking forward to the community here and making friends and whatever guilds I happen to join.