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Community Debate: When it comes to Login/Quit

    • 9115 posts
    June 8, 2020 3:58 AM PDT

    Community Debate: When it comes to Login/Quit, Cancel/Ok buttons, should the positive option be on the left or right? #MMORPG #CommunityMatters

    • 2756 posts
    June 8, 2020 5:01 AM PDT

    Bit of a weird one to have a 'debate' about, no? You having an internal argument you want us to solve? Hehe

    Just follow PC standards. It's the least confusing option. Everyone is used to OK on the left these days (and no doubt Microsoft did millions of dollars of research to come up with them).

    • 3852 posts
    June 8, 2020 6:15 AM PDT

    Words fail to express how little I care - and as some here know, words rarely fail me. Whatever it is I will rapidly get used to it.

    • 1291 posts
    June 8, 2020 6:22 AM PDT

    The positive should be on top :-p

    • 68 posts
    June 8, 2020 6:27 AM PDT

    To answer the question I prefer OK on the left.

    Perhaps more important is what the default action is when pressing the Enter key.  The default action should be the positive (action) unless the outcome is destructive such as delete character, drop item, or log out.  I played alot of games that had confimration screens where the default was negative (in-action) and all the extra button/mouse clicks got frustrating as you almost never wanted to cancel what you had selected to do.

    • 1281 posts
    June 8, 2020 6:31 AM PDT

    disposalist said:

    Bit of a weird one to have a 'debate' about, no? You having an internal argument you want us to solve? Hehe

    Just follow PC standards. It's the least confusing option. Everyone is used to OK on the left these days (and no doubt Microsoft did millions of dollars of research to come up with them).

    If they're having debates about this, I'm hoping that means good news about the state of the game....hehehe

     

    • 1456 posts
    June 8, 2020 6:35 AM PDT

    Agree OK should be on the left.

    But it's more than that, keep the question uniform. We use what is considered high end CAD/CAM software and somehow they have there questions mixed up all through it. I'm told because different parts of it are written in different parts of the world. to illustrate using Kilsin’s question

    "Something has happened, Would you like to Continue?"
    "Something has happened, Would you like to Cancel?"

    Both handling the same thing, each requiring a different answer to get the same result. On the plus side this does keep the programmers on there toes and requires them to actually read the prompt to know if they need to OK or to CANCEL

    • 46 posts
    June 8, 2020 7:09 AM PDT

    I think the question is less a matter of community debate and more a question of UI design. Windows has the OK button left and the Cancel button on the right, it makes sense to have this design in Patheon, too.

    • 2419 posts
    June 8, 2020 8:05 AM PDT

    I want it to be randomly placed somewhere on the screen each and every time.

    • 523 posts
    June 8, 2020 8:18 AM PDT

    What in the actual heck is this question?  Who cares.  Community debate topics getting a little dry in the bottle?

    • 238 posts
    June 8, 2020 9:29 AM PDT

    I don't think it matters as long as the design choice is unified between all systems.

    With that being said, humans read from left to right and most of the time our eyes are naturally drawn to the left first before the right when there are words involved. Personally I would advocate for affirmative actions being on the left because this can typically save time in most situations due to where our eyes tend to land first. 

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    • 176 posts
    June 8, 2020 9:57 AM PDT

    disposalist said:

    Bit of a weird one to have a 'debate' about, no? You having an internal argument you want us to solve? Hehe

    Yes, actually :D


    This post was edited by Joppa at June 8, 2020 9:58 AM PDT
    • 903 posts
    June 8, 2020 10:35 AM PDT
    I like that they're thinking about small details like this because it shows a good attention to detail. When programs don't follow standard conventions, many users may not know why, but they do feel a clunkiness when using the UI.

    Please follow Windows' standard convention. This will be the most intuitive.
    • 1315 posts
    June 8, 2020 10:46 AM PDT

    Decision trees should be stacked vertical (save, save as, close).

    Confirmation UI should Flow left to right Confirm -> Undo/go back/cancel

    I have to use a piece of corporate software that decided to go their own way and it’s a nightmare to use (also happens to be inconsistent within the software).  Unless there is a specific reason do not fix what isn’t broken.  Like it or not Microsoft sets the standard on UI layout.

    • 2752 posts
    June 8, 2020 10:47 AM PDT

    (left) Okay/Cancel (right)

     

    (top)

    Login

    Quit

    (bottom)

    • 2644 posts
    June 8, 2020 12:03 PM PDT

    Looking at the big picture, I think we got this question today simply because it's Monday morning. The guys all did a bit of recreation over the weekend, and Kilsin just wasn't up to 'peak operational effectiveness' when he sat down to post a Community Debate question.

    (everyone knows the worldwide reputation Aussies have for their abililty to go out and recreate)

    :D

    • 130 posts
    June 8, 2020 12:59 PM PDT

    Google spend countless hours tracking the eye movements (where you intuitively, subconsciously look) of users when testing even the most miniscule of changes to their website. Intuition is everything, and if it's intuitive, you're not battling it. This seems like an odd question, but it has an underlying, subconscious impact on the end-user that is worth considering. Especially as it will likely propagate into other UI design cues, too.

    • 769 posts
    June 8, 2020 1:07 PM PDT

    Trasak said:

    Decision trees should be stacked vertical (save, save as, close).

    Confirmation UI should Flow left to right Confirm -> Undo/go back/cancel

    The default action should return you to the situation you're in at the time.  "The default action should be the positive (action) unless the outcome is destructive such as delete character, drop item, or log out. "

     


    This post was edited by Barin999 at June 8, 2020 1:09 PM PDT
    • 287 posts
    June 8, 2020 1:41 PM PDT

    crazysyd102 said:

    I think the question is less a matter of community debate and more a question of UI design. Windows has the OK button left and the Cancel button on the right, it makes sense to have this design in Patheon, too.

    This ^

    As a Windows application it should follow Windows guidelines for UX.

     

    • 2138 posts
    June 8, 2020 2:11 PM PDT

    Hang on, this has evverything to do with muscle memory. Remember when the "X" to close was on the left? made sense with emails, the inbos margin was on the left, was not a great move to go there, bnut then... "they" moved it all the way over to the right.

    How many of you are annoyed now, that those little pop up notifications are on the lower right? because the lower right is where everythig that you use is going on, isn't it- like at work or in game because on the lower left is all the important stuff and so you moved everything to the lower right to be out of the way of your important stuff on the right and then- those damned pop ups right in the middle of the game when you are trying to do something!. Seriously that pop up should go to the upper left, now that they moved the X to the right!

    How many of you remember where the chatracter map is? I used to know then "someone" changed it thinking oh this is better and intuitive and I am the king of the world and I know it's so living in my nine-inch nails isolated world and shouting behind the screen and forgetting the lesson the Beatles sung about in "Nowhere Man", no its not better and intuitive and never was. now they buried it.

    might as well turn the nail claws on a hammer, in the other direction pointing up.

    if it has to be right or left:  the "yes" or "accept" or "OK" be on the left as you are viewing the screen, 

    If it has to be upper or lower: the "yes" or "accept" or "ok" be on the upper choice as you are viewing the screen. 

    • 41 posts
    June 8, 2020 2:17 PM PDT

    My vote is the same as Windows products. Odd topic indeed.

    • 2756 posts
    June 8, 2020 3:47 PM PDT

    Joppa said:

    disposalist said:

    Bit of a weird one to have a 'debate' about, no? You having an internal argument you want us to solve? Hehe

    Yes, actually :D

    Called it!

    Classic ;^)  With you guys so busy, an argument over something so ordinary must feel like a break!

    • 2756 posts
    June 8, 2020 3:48 PM PDT

    Vandraad said:

    I want it to be randomly placed somewhere on the screen each and every time.

    Oo Oo or have it move as you get the pointer over it!

    • 1281 posts
    June 8, 2020 4:02 PM PDT

    OK/good on left, cancel/bad on right.

    OK/good on top, cancel/bad on bottom.

    • 38 posts
    June 8, 2020 5:28 PM PDT

    disposalist said:

    Bit of a weird one to have a 'debate' about, no? You having an internal argument you want us to solve? Hehe

     

    was thinking this myself xd someone in the office needs to know they're right! aha