With the holidays etc it seems some of the older MMO's are either getting liftime subs for the first time or getting one again presumeably to help bolster their revenue to make 4th quarter earnings look a bit better. My question to you is this, how much would you pay for a lifetime sub to Pantheon?
$500.00 maximum.
No idea if the game will be good, no idea what my future time holds. With the hope the game is all that I hope it is, a realistic maximum play timeline for me would be 2-5 years. That's between $360 and $900. Most subscription games, I take breaks for various periods of time as well in between due to burnout. Based on history, odds would be low that I'd play more than a year or two, based on recent history, odds are low I'd play more than a month or two. Still, I'm pretty gung ho for this type of MMO, and I played EQ 1 for many years, but Vanguard for only about two months after launch if that, and I was equally hyped for that game. I'm willing to gamble $500.00 on a lifetime pass, especially if it was part of a pledge package with some other goodies.
starblight said:Seeing as a year’s subscription would likely be around $180 I would put down $400. Unless they really needed the cash I would think it could be a bad move for them.
You're forgetting that 15x12 = 180 but the year sub is always discounted. So a year would probably be somewhere around 120-140.
I already have plans to just put my sub at 1 year auto renew.
starblight said:Seeing as a year’s subscription would likely be around $180 I would put down $400. Unless they really needed the cash I would think it could be a bad move for them.
Depends. If they sold it as a limited time special, there would be some pressure to snatch it up. Lots of the folks doing so would probably get caught up in the moment and buy it, though the odds are extreme they'll never play that long. I'm probably one of those.
EQ1 is the only game I've ever played for longer than a year. I played that on and off for a long time, but there were years in between at times. WoW got about a year, EQ2 got about a year. Rift, SWToR, Conan, FFXI, Vanguard, Wildstar all got a month or two. I'm hopeful Pantheon holds my attention for a decade, but it's very unlikely, even if it's a great game like EQ1 or WoW. The honest answer is that if it holds my attention for a single year, it's done a great job. Real Life gets in the way, and it's just tough to stay focused on one game, especially as a power gamer personality type. I blow through these things fast.
Maybe the safer thing to do for both parties would be to sell a 5 year subscription for $500. Full price would be $900.00. It's a nice deal for those that actually stick with the game every month for 5 years, but while many people might think they'll do that, most probably don't come close. I'd have to imagine that a lot of people would buy that type of package (in a limited time type deal) due to hype, especially if sold around launch without really thinking through the odds they will stick with the game for that long. Could be a way to get a nice influx of cash frontloaded that VR might not actually ever see otherwise, especially if the game turns out to be lackluster over time.
Dhampir said:$200 seems completely unresonable for lifetime subscription. 1 year is going to be $180.If they offer a lifetime Subscription at all, I'd expect roughly 200$.
But I would HOPE they also offer those who buy a Lifetime subby to also keep supporting the game via a monthly sub if they so choose.
I would expect a lifetime sub to be in the $500-$750 range or more. They may even consider doing something like $1,000 for lifetime sub + all expansions, or something.
If they really needed a quick influx of cash for some specific reason I could see $1000 stand alone pledge. Other than that I do not see it being in VRs best interest as it looks desperate which will shake fan confidence that the game will green light. After the game launches life time subscriptions are a drain potentially and are really only used once future development has been canceled.
Typical year's subsxription might run to about $120 as noted above - looking at current MMOs not trying to predeict what Pantheon will do in perhaps a few years.
I don't see it making a lot of sense for VR long-term too much below $999.
If they offer it for a lot less than this it may mean they don't *expect* a long term without a large cash infusion up front.
They already offer a lifetime Subscription
The Ascendant's Pledge $10,000
As for the pricing you are all giving, all well and good for 14 year old games at the end of there life,
No, I won't be buying any of them, not a cheap $300 for an obsolete game nor an expensive one for a game not even released yet.
Zorkon said:They already offer a lifetime Subscription
The Ascendant's Pledge $10,000
As for the pricing you are all giving, all well and good for 14 year old games at the end of there life,
No, I won't be buying any of them, not a cheap $300 for an obsolete game nor an expensive one for a game not even released yet.
For the sake of this conversation and what people can reasonably afford I think it's more fun to discuss other options.
I am fantasizing: If a lifetime subscription was offered 3-5 years after launch?, I would suggest a pricepoint at 3k, scaleable relative to active years subbed. For instance, after 5 years active subbed, can get lifetime sub for 2.5k.
Otherwise, whatever monthly subscription VR decides is appropriate for a premium MMO at launch.
WarKnight said: It seems most people are saying it's going to be $15/month. Has that been confirmed or just a best guess scenario?
They have not confirmed any price, only mentioned in passing something like "similar to industry standard for mmo subscription" or something similar. Most games are $15/month so that's the number I am using.
Several years back Brad also asked the question (I think on FOH) if people would be willing "to pay more than industry standard if it was for a niche product", or something similar. Again, that was very early on when Brad first started talking again after VG.
Hey folks, we have been over this a while ago, we removed all of our lifetime subs from pledges and have no intention of doing them again due to the reason stated previously.
The main reason is sub revenue, we will rely heavily on that and to give away lifetime subs is an instant injection or revenue but them a loss further down the track, there is a lot more to it than just that but that is one of the main reasons we won;t be doing lifetime subs anytime soon.
Kilsin said:Hey folks, we have been over this a while ago, we removed all of our lifetime subs from pledges and have no intention of doing them again due to the reason stated previously.
The main reason is sub revenue, we will rely heavily on that and to give away lifetime subs is an instant injection or revenue but them a loss further down the track, there is a lot more to it than just that but that is one of the main reasons we won;t be doing lifetime subs anytime soon.
I posted this this morning after looking over the older game's offerings thinking I can think of a game I'd much rather pay for a lifetime membership for. Of course we may never see anything like this for Pantheon and that's ok...but there's nothing wrong with pondering about it...or fantasizing about it.
Seasons Greetings everyone, I hope you all have a great holiday.
Frostyglitch said:Kilsin said:Hey folks, we have been over this a while ago, we removed all of our lifetime subs from pledges and have no intention of doing them again due to the reason stated previously.
The main reason is sub revenue, we will rely heavily on that and to give away lifetime subs is an instant injection or revenue but them a loss further down the track, there is a lot more to it than just that but that is one of the main reasons we won;t be doing lifetime subs anytime soon.I posted this this morning after looking over the older game's offerings thinking I can think of a game I'd much rather pay for a lifetime membership for. Of course we may never see anything like this for Pantheon and that's ok...but there's nothing wrong with pondering about it...or fantasizing about it.
Seasons Greetings everyone, I hope you all have a great holiday.
No worries at all mate but as I said, we have gone over this before, there are multiple threads already on this subject, some have been closed due to arguments and misinformation which is why I had to post my statement of no intention.
Duplicate posts like this have a tendency to stir up drama and old arguments again and I try to save you guys from that stuff by jumping on it as quickly as possible with an official reply.
Thank you my friend, I hope you and the community have a happy and safe holidays too :)
i know you won't do a lifetime sub, but please allow a FULL YEAR (or even 18-24 month) payment options. Most games won't let you pay for more than 6 months at a time. I hate that. Let me pay for the whole year. or More.
p.s. you don't even have to give me a discount as long as it's a full year at time.
Flapp said:i know you won't do a lifetime sub, but please allow a FULL YEAR (or even 18-24 month) payment options. Most games won't let you pay for more than 6 months at a time. I hate that. Let me pay for the whole year. or More.
p.s. you don't even have to give me a discount as long as it's a full year at time.
If you're not saving money, which would you (from a financial perspective ever want to pay more than 1 month.
Kilsin said:Hey folks, we have been over this a while ago, we removed all of our lifetime subs from pledges and have no intention of doing them again due to the reason stated previously.
The main reason is sub revenue, we will rely heavily on that and to give away lifetime subs is an instant injection or revenue but them a loss further down the track, there is a lot more to it than just that but that is one of the main reasons we won;t be doing lifetime subs anytime soon.
The point about lost revenue makes sense, if you're talking charging a few hundred bucks. But why not give a lifetime sub for your $3,000 pledge? Not that I have $3,000 to throw around, but if I was inclined to spend that on a pledge, I would be a bit turned off with the 1 year sub reward. It would almost take 17 years to get to the "[revenue] loss further down the track". I'll be surprised if there's still a monthly fee by that time. Why be so stingy for someone making such a big investment/gift in Pantheon?
Since we are just hypothesising here: I would do a $500-$750 pledge. I look at the 2 MMOs that were sticky to me and the 6-10 that were not. I still probably would be gambling to come out ahead as those 2 games were 3 years and 5 years respectively.
Of course this price is completely dependant on the amount of Future Kingdom of Chicago Entertainment/Amusement Tax added to it. (/s . I don't live there).
Grimseethe said:LOTRO online did a $200 lifetime sub and they have regretted it ever since.
After 2-3 years of playing they make no more money and people play free forever.
This is exactly why "lifetime subs" are usually considered the "last gasp" of a dying MMO. That one last cash grab before it shuts down.
Regarding Lord of the Rings Online, From here:
" Lifetime subscriptions were offered to Founders at $199.00 USD. After release, the Lifetime Subscription was offered to others for $299. "
Also, Pantheon currently offers a lifetime game subscription reward with the 10k pledge.