My personal guess will be that, in the main, most people will not opt to use Voice chat in day-to-day pick-up grouping. It would be my guesstimate that perhaps 1 person in a group would have voice chat enabled by 'default'. This would obviously vary based on age of player and gaming background.
For Guild groups and Raids, it is likely this would be reversed ... i.e. more people on voice chat than not (perhaps excepting RP guilds). This is almost inevitable (particularly on raids, especially for Raid Leader and Sub-Leaders) and, for the Raid leadership would probably be considered 'mandatory'.
As Beefcake suggests :
Mandatory use of Voice Chat will be player-driven, not game-driven.
TL;DR
The general playerbase will likely be very accepting of non-voice players ...
... I worry, perhaps, that many guilds may not be quite so accepting.
Evoras, will let his pet do the talking!
Amris said:Kilsin said:Pyye said:Okay I made a list of us that have openly stated they prefer to only use voice chat when absolutely necessary.
Here is the list of forum members, I will keep track on my original post as well for easy tracking:
*if I missed anyone that wants to be included, let me know
Keeping a list serves no purpose, my friend, we will be implementing voice chat to be an option for people to use in groups, raids and guilds, if people want to ignore it or use preferred 3rd party VOIP then that is fine but I do not think keeping track of people will prove helpful my friend, it will just separate the opinions and be a possible cause of arguments based on labelling members preference, which ultimately doesn't matter either way. :)
I'm almost positive that the list is for possible guild invites, my friend. :)
Correct, which means it isn't appropriate for this "General Pantheon" thread on 'Does Voice Chat Ruin Immersion", that was my reason for posting that message, my friend, Pyye knows I wouldn't hassle him (or anyone for that matter) for no reason ;)
Pyye said:Kilsin said:Pyye said:Okay I made a list of us that have openly stated they prefer to only use voice chat when absolutely necessary.
Here is the list of forum members, I will keep track on my original post as well for easy tracking:
*if I missed anyone that wants to be included, let me know
Keeping a list serves no purpose, my friend, we will be implementing voice chat to be an option for people to use in groups, raids and guilds, if people want to ignore it or use preferred 3rd party VOIP then that is fine but I do not think keeping track of people will prove helpful my friend, it will just separate the opinions and be a possible cause of arguments based on labelling members preference, which ultimately doesn't matter either way. :)
Not intended to seperate or boast either side is better... Most that know me knows I don't play that game.
The list is intended to gather similar sytles of play for a possible Alpha / Beta guild. I honestly think this could enhance our gameplay. Not 100% roleplay, but definitely limited VC activity, lots of emotes and text typing, being silly without a real voice... There are a lot of us it appears, that like the quiet game time, taking in the sounds, music, and game effects, just letting our minds go wild an free to interpret as we play.
Man I just realized I sound like a 60's Hippie!!!
I understand and wish you well in gathering like-minded people, and I know you wouldn't have meant anything by it, it just isn't appropriate for this thread is all I meant, thank you for moving it :)
Pyye said:Kilsin said:Pyye said:Okay I made a list of us that have openly stated they prefer to only use voice chat when absolutely necessary.
Here is the list of forum members, I will keep track on my original post as well for easy tracking:
*if I missed anyone that wants to be included, let me know
Keeping a list serves no purpose, my friend, we will be implementing voice chat to be an option for people to use in groups, raids and guilds, if people want to ignore it or use preferred 3rd party VOIP then that is fine but I do not think keeping track of people will prove helpful my friend, it will just separate the opinions and be a possible cause of arguments based on labelling members preference, which ultimately doesn't matter either way. :)
Not intended to seperate or boast either side is better... Most that know me knows I don't play that game.
The list is intended to gather similar sytles of play for a possible Alpha / Beta guild. I honestly think this could enhance our gameplay. Not 100% roleplay, but definitely limited VC activity, lots of emotes and text typing, being silly without a real voice... There are a lot of us it appears, that like the quiet game time, taking in the sounds, music, and game effects, just letting our minds go wild an free to interpret as we play.
Man I just realized I sound like a 60's Hippie!!!
LOL Pyye yep they haven't all died off yet. :D
Evoras said:My personal guess will be that, in the main, most people will not opt to use Voice chat in day-to-day pick-up grouping. It would be my guesstimate that perhaps 1 person in a group would have voice chat enabled by 'default'. This would obviously vary based on age of player and gaming background.
For Guild groups and Raids, it is likely this would be reversed ... i.e. more people on voice chat than not (perhaps excepting RP guilds). This is almost inevitable (particularly on raids, especially for Raid Leader and Sub-Leaders) and, for the Raid leadership would probably be considered 'mandatory'.
As Beefcake suggests :
Mandatory use of Voice Chat will be player-driven, not game-driven.
TL;DR
The general playerbase will likely be very accepting of non-voice players ...
... I worry, perhaps, that many guilds may not be quite so accepting.
Evoras, will let his pet do the talking!
I agree with Evoras on this. I personally do not enjoy voice chat and will avoid it as much as possible, but I can understand guilds wishing to use in in raid settings so leaders can more readily organize and instruct their members.
Kilsin said:Correct, which means it isn't appropriate for this "General Pantheon" thread on 'Does Voice Chat Ruin Immersion", that was my reason for posting that message, my friend, Pyye knows I wouldn't hassle him (or anyone for that matter) for no reason ;)
I thought maybe you thought he was setting up a petition or something, lol. I thought you were telling him that setting up a petition on this subject was inappropriate. I didn't realize that the whole guild thing was taboo, so sorry!
Amris said:Kilsin said:Correct, which means it isn't appropriate for this "General Pantheon" thread on 'Does Voice Chat Ruin Immersion", that was my reason for posting that message, my friend, Pyye knows I wouldn't hassle him (or anyone for that matter) for no reason ;)I thought maybe you thought he was setting up a petition or something, lol. I thought you were telling him that setting up a petition on this subject was inappropriate. I didn't realize that the whole guild thing was taboo, so sorry!
It's not taboo, but if that was the purpose its something that would be better suited to the "Guilds" section of the forums :)
Amris said:Kilsin said:Correct, which means it isn't appropriate for this "General Pantheon" thread on 'Does Voice Chat Ruin Immersion", that was my reason for posting that message, my friend, Pyye knows I wouldn't hassle him (or anyone for that matter) for no reason ;)I thought maybe you thought he was setting up a petition or something, lol. I thought you were telling him that setting up a petition on this subject was inappropriate. I didn't realize that the whole guild thing was taboo, so sorry!
Haha, no problem at all, Amris :)
Please forgive me for reopening this discussion. I realize that all which can be said about the topic has been said and repeated in this and similar threads. I only do it because Brad in a recent stream (I think on MMORPGcom) expressed a reluctancy to spend precious developer time on built-in voice chat with all those excellent 3rd party tools out there.
Like Brad, I'm old-school on this and would prefer never to have to use voice chat, but if not building it into Pantheon means I will have to mess around with an external client when I join a group, that would be the worst scenario, IMHO. My reasons for disliking voice chat include:
Having said that, and after watching all those in-game streams out there, I acknowledge that voice chat makes it easier to work together in difficult encounters, and when something funny happens, it enhances the experience to hear everybode laugh.
So, I could probably learn to live with voice chat, but if I must, I would really want it to be built in.
Jabir said:Please forgive me for reopening this discussion. I realize that all which can be said about the topic has been said and repeated in this and similar threads. I only do it because Brad in a recent stream (I think on MMORPGcom) expressed a reluctancy to spend precious developer time on built-in voice chat with all those excellent 3rd party tools out there.
Like Brad, I'm old-school on this and would prefer never to have to use voice chat, but if not building it into Pantheon means I will have to mess around with an external client when I join a group, that would be the worst scenario, IMHO. My reasons for disliking voice chat include:
- Voices reveal too much about the RL-person behind the character; one should always be allowed to hide ones age, gender, origin, etc.
- Being from Denmark, it's much easier for me to understand a written communication.
- Paradoxally, the inviduals hardest to understand are generally those having some variation of English as their primary language.
- Wearing a headset for hours on end are a discomfort for me.
Having said that, and after watching all those in-game streams out there, I acknowledge that voice chat makes it easier to work together in difficult encounters, and when something funny happens, it enhances the experience to hear everybode laugh.
So, I could probably learn to live with voice chat, but if I must, I would really want it to be built in.
HI Jabir, its okay to necro old threads, Kilsin prefers that over opening multiple threads on the same topic, so necro where you wish. :)
Cana
Riahuf22 said:For me playing with family and friends is a huge thing for me when playing games, so I love voice chat but yes I can totally agree there are times I want things to be completely quest so I mute them so I can simply enjoy a new zone/quest I'm doing and enjoy myself
Yup guess we could say there is a time and a place for voice chat...if I do that with anyone would be guildies and good friends. I don't tend to join pugs...just have gained a distaste for them over my years of gaming. Would rather have fun and kid around with people that understand my personality. :)
Cana
I see voice chat being an absolute necessity, so even thinking about it being 'immerson breaking' is irrelevant to me. Through a williness to suspent disbelief, my mind just sees voice chat as me being my character talking to the other characters as if we were standing around in reality. Sure, seeing a male character with a female voice (or vice versa) could be interpreted by some as immerson breaking but I could not care less.
From the streams, this game will be need a lot of successive button clicking and doing that precludes being able to type anything other than very short statements. Lengthy discussions while actively engaging content will be out of the question. While the length of downtime is yet unknown, having to wait for downtime just to have a conversation just seems so stilted.
EDIT: More Thoughts.
Another reason why I will insist on voice chat is that it helps reduce the need to constantly stare at the UI instead of looking at what is happening in front and around me and my group. As I'll be playing a Shaman, I already have to be paying attention to health bars, buffs, debuffs amongst other things and while I assume we'll have the ability to modify the UI to present the information coming to us in whatever formate or location we desire, having one less chat box to worry about just takes that little extra off my plate.
Some might say having all the numbers showing up on the screen helps, I say the opposite. Everything becomes that much more cluttered what with spell effects, NPC/Player movements, weather/environment particle effects, etc.
I don't think voice chat is immersion breaking, however, it is not something I want to use most of the time.
There are a few reasons I tend to not jump on voice chats too often:
1.) Most voice chats I have been in are very loud and it is hard to hear indiviual people.
2.) I mostly play during the late hours of the night, so my wife is sleeping on the other side of the room. I can't participate in the discuss that much.
3.) Voice chats tend to get off topic of the content fast and I end up wondering why I had to be in this voice chat again?
I will jump in voice chat for raids just to listen if I find that the content really does require it but it has to be a very organized group that takes turns speaking, otherwise what is the point? I'm having a hard time visualizing Pantheon voice chat being necessary for most content but I'm sure there will be groups that make it mandatory. I'll probably avoid those groups, as there are plenty of people willing to play through text only.
I am glad they are including voice chat in game though, because if I ever do join chat I dont want to have to use 3rd party software.
Things have changed since a year ago. Discord is so easy to setup and use even for a random pickup group.
In a recent vid Brad said they didn't really want to make their own voice client if they could help it. They would if they had to, but would rather not.
Seems sensible to me. You don't even have to download Discord - you can use the web client - and you just type people a short URL invite to get a free private good quality voice channel.
Also you can just pup in and out of other Discord voice channels like you guild or trade or whatever gets set up.
World voice chat like day z would be interesting within a certain radius, but I know too many people would be going full hairless ape in game and that would definitely ruin things to the point I'm just mute it. so no. Lets not have that.
voice chat can ruin immersion just like in game text chat can!
Any communication form can ruin immersion dependent on the person. what breaks immersion for one will not necessarily do so for another.
Personally i only use voice chat in my guild or in raids. Otherwise i do not do so.
My thoughts (for the first time in this thread):
In normal, day-to-day play, I prefer not to use voice chat. I suppose part of this is immersion, but mostly it's because I like to listen to the game's music and audio cues, and that's really hard to do sometimes if there are a bunch of people chattering in the background.
I don't mind voice chat for groups or raids when I feel like it's warranted. I do feel however that voice chat can become a crutch for people that don't pay attention to their game client, or who for whatever reason aren't reallying to type a word or two occasionally. For this reason you'll rarely find me in voice chat for a "normal" group. If it's a guild group and we're doing something tough, ok. If it's a raid, very likely. But if it's just a few people out killing something, probably not.
I provide a discord server for my guild to use and I don't set any restrictions on its use other than just general rules of conduct, like no excessive swearing, etc. Before Discord got decent, it was a paid teamspeak server (and before that, a paid ventrilo server). Some of my guildies are in voice chat all the time, always talking, and that's fine. Others only jump in when there's something important happening, and that's fine too. I think the key thing for me is that voice chat is great as long as people still use in-game chat as well. I've been pretty up front with my guilds in a past that "they weren't in voice chat" is not a valid reason to ignore someone's question or ask for help.
Finally, I have in my gaming career met many players who simply can't or won't use voice chat due to their own circumstances or preferences. The busy mother who needs to keep an ear on her children. The MS patient who has difficulty speaking. The player from Chile whose written English is passable but who doesn't speak it fluently and is embarrassed by that. Or even just the roleplayer who really doesn't feel comfortable listening to non-game chatter on their headset. All of these people can be valuable members of a group, guild, or raid, and I don't feel like we should exclude them just because they can't participate. Sure, sometimes I end up saying "hey, it would be great if you could juse use it to listen for callouts during the raid", but if someone really can't - like say, for example if they're actually deaf in the real world - then the game gives us ways to still communicate, and we should use them.
Anyway that's my opinion on the subject of voice chat.
I think that regardless of your voice chat preferences you will likey be able to find a community that fits with what you want. Those who think it's a must use, will gravitate to guilds and groups of friends that all use it. Those who feel it's a burden and never want to use it will find guilds who don't bother with it or think it's optional. It's the same as other things. People who don't like foul language will join guilds who have rules against that kind of thing. People who love swearing and dirty jokes will join guilds where this is the common practice. Never underestimate the ability for people to find like minded people to spend their time with.
Just remember that your way is not going to be the only way, and if your joining PUGs, many of them will likely have the other viewpoint than yours. You might have to leave a group if they want to force you to use voice chat, and/or you might be frustrated if you join a group that won't use voice chat at all no matter how much you try to convince them. Sometimes you'll need to roll with it and decide if that group is really the one you want to spend your play time with. But don't assume you are going to convince others to be how you want them to be.
I am personally willing to use an "immersion breaking" tool such as voice chat through discord, an external system. I have the app. I am ready to push to speak. I don't..... because i am not playing games yet that require it and/or i just don't give two hoots. I will text chat with anyone or if all else fails i will play a console game to get full immersion. The simple fact that bringing outside in..... is an immersion breaking tactic. Text or voice is this. When i did use discord it was specifically only for raids and i never spoke a word. I listened as if listening to a podcast.