How are the planes of existance defined?
Where did the dragons go and if they can just leave why dont they fight the gods on the other plane of existance that they are breaching?
Can high mortals communicate with other planes of existance?
Can priests or mortals commune with anyone on the other planes or astral project themself to such places?
Is the mana climate related to dragons/gods and the ammount they are worshiped? I base this off the fact that t
If so are high mortals affected by mana climate?
Is the emissary supposed to be a supreme god?
This is just my speculation and theorizing here:
The six races had their own worlds and their own gods/goddesses. For some reason, there was an imminent threat to each race. Perhaps that part of the universe was going to collapse or something. Perhaps the suns that fueled their worlds were unstable. Whatever it was, something was going to exterminate all of them. Or perhaps it was something more focused on the races themselves and not their worlds. Perhaps there was a passing star that was going to rip past their worlds, that would exterminate life on their planets as it passed by.
So, these six gods/goddesses needed to put their enadangered races in a safe place, like an Earthly wildlife preserve, where they could stabilize and repopulate. Then, they would scoop them up and replant them back on their world, once it was safe/habitable again.
So, they needed a safe place for their people. Njystyrrok was the perfect place. So, they banded together and made a "deal" with the dragons that own that planet. The planet was renamed "Terminus" and the agreement was called "The Dragon Accord".
Basically, this group of six leased the planet for a period of 1000 years. The dragons are the owners/landlords. Like a lease, the landlord can't snoop around your apartment, and the dragons cannot meddle with the tenants. Similarly, the dragons wanted a protection to know that the six are not trying to secretly take over and displace the dragons, so the six cannot help their races or meddle in the affairs of the planet. A Celestial Barrier was defined and the gods/goddesses must stay on the other side of it (sort of like a fence around a nature preserve). Also, the dragons don't want the tenants ruining their planet.
OK, so the Ravaging Lord broke that agreement and started his own power play. This was a violation of the agreement so the Dragon King was coming to destroy everyone, meanwhile, the six realized one of their own was breaking the agreement and went to stop him. They stopped him and didn't interfere with the rest of the planet. That's why the emmissary explained to the dragon king that what they did was not a breach.
But to make sure it doesn't happen again, the celestial barrier was expanded and reinforced.
Now, the interesting question (to me) is "why did the dragons agree to this deal?" What is in it for them? Were they to be given more subjects to rule over? Would these races stay and become denizens of the dragons world? Would the other gods submit to the dragons' rule?
And what happens in 1000 years (just 13 years away)? Do the dragons return and evict the six races (now more than six)? Do the gods/goddess scoop up their races and return them to their home world?
Blood for blood, King. There is no breach. Is what the Emissary said to the Dragonking. The Ravaging Lord killed Rhy’Kafiros and in turn Rok’Nhilthamos killed the Ravaging Lord. Blood for blood... the accord still stands The Emissary says, as the he prevents Rok’Nhilthamos from incinerating everyone else there. Rok’Nhilthamos grudgingly flies away.
Good speculation, @fazool! =)
Were the races brought here because their worlds were in danger or because this one is? Is the Emissary the one responsible? Is there a connection between him and the WarWizards?
Why did the dragons agree? Does it have something to do with The Ill Watcher?
Just curious fazool, where does it say the Dragon Accords are a 1000 year agreement?
Edit: Good questions @lauralania. Time will tell. :) I hope.
Please send more lore. Thank you.
I think this is were we need more information on how all the pieces fit or at least rub together.
With Fazool's interesting spin on this opens a huge set of doors to speculation on what the relationships are to the races vs deities. I find this facinating and the depth of this is already fantastic but nce we get some more details this will blow wide open. Exciting times indeed!
Good questions though.
Ox
**The six races had their own worlds and their own gods/goddesses. For some reason, there was an imminent threat to each race. Perhaps that part of the universe was going to collapse or something. Perhaps the suns that fueled their worlds were unstable. Whatever it was, something was going to exterminate all of them. Or perhaps it was something more focused on the races themselves and not their worlds. Perhaps there was a passing star that was going to rip past their worlds, that would exterminate life on their planets as it passed by.**
Confrimed more than six " (It is important to note that the term "Sacred Six" speaks to more than simply six races. Yet so formative were the events centered around the nations chiefly targeted by the Revenant -- six, all told -- that the term became a common title to address the group of new arrivals, in any sum. There are certainly more than that number, now even twice or thrice as many, with perhaps more yet to come.) "
- https://www.pantheonmmo.com/lore/history_of_terminus/
I'm also fairly certain that we know that elves, ogres, dwarves were original races on the planet along with dragons. I think I can agree with perhaps the pantheon being put into a situation where they had to save their races. I'm left a little iffy on the dark myr because of the whole not being able to breathe the water thing. Your comment on the passing star is brilliant. It leads me to also consider perhaps a tear in the astral veil that seperates the planes of existance.
Try as I might I can't find anything that says how lon the dragon accord is supposed to be for? The only two translated pieces of the dragon accord I could find were https://www.pantheonmmo.com/lore/the_keeping_of_things/#keepings1 but if there is a time limit can you show me a link where ? If it is 1000 years then that's INCREDIBLY interesting because that means that the Dragon King will need to RECONVENE and broker a new accord. Which would be thrilling to witness. If there is 0 time limit on the accord less exciting but more understandable.
I actually think this is the brilliance of the Dragon King. Bringing all the dragons under his rule to protect him against the gods/emissary as opposed to having to battle both dragons and gods. Who's to say the Reignborn will be on the dragon throne? The new pantheon and high mortals or even the lesser dragons could covet. We have almost 0 idea how their leadership system works. Asides from the fact that they have different magically imbued languages for different ranking systems.
think this is the part:
There seemed an ethereal seclusion, more deeply felt than the physical one. At this time, the first half of a stipulation believed to be enshrined within the Dragon Accord began to show evidence, hereafter called the Celestial Boundary (though it has as many names as there are races who’ve encountered it). During The Imprisonment of Rhazik immediately after their arrival, the Dwarven godhead of Lockehnhammur was able to exchange the immortality of the vile god Rhazik the Rageful for a lesser power -- the ‘High Mortal’ form -- by an ethereal transfiguration known as “Descension”. Rhazik had sought to finally devour the Dwarven race, realizing himself free of the ancient mandate of balance on Oldassa, which forbade him destroy the people created by his noble rival, Khazas. Of this liberation he discerned correctly, but the liberation equally applied to Lockehnhammur, who took the opportunity to change Rhazik’s divine form to that of a High Mortal as punishment for his crime. As well, Rhazik was imprisoned for a thousand years in the furious winter of Tenebrous Tundra. Yet Khazas in turn took the chance of Descension upon himself, wanting to rule and abide intimately his Dwarves as a High Mortal king. This has worked famously, as even the reduced capabilities of these descended gods are such that Khazas still leads his people today, over 900 years later.
Ox
The Dragons are still around. Just in hiding. "last of Dragonkind withdrew to peculiar obscurity, most often to places of extreme difficulty for mortals to reach"
That happened when the Dwarves arrived in 7IH - they were followed by the Elves and then the Ogres.
There are allusions to other races on Terminus that were likely there during the time of the Reignborn... but we don't know for sure. The Giants, Wos Che... few others.
Malsirian said:
There are allusions to other races on Terminus that were likely there during the time of the Reignborn... but we don't know for sure. The Giants, Wos Che... few others.
I freaking hope so, still holding out for some sort of dark elven. Anything but the elder scrolls interpretation would leave me delighted!
Yes, Hope that helped a little. There is so many other facets to this one can go down the rabbit hole and get lost fast. Fun stuff though. There are still so many questions. How old is Terminus? Why did the other races end up there. Is the Revenant part of a larger dark monovalent force that is threatening other worlds. Armor up because it gets bumpy from here.
Ox
lauralania said:As well, Rhazik was imprisoned for a thousand years in the furious winter of Tenebrous Tundra.
As well as in, in addition to the agreement or part of the agreement?
Not sure but I read it as he's got less than 100 years left in his 1000 sentence. To me, it looks like Rhazik was imprisoned immediately after the dwarves get to Terminus which would have been sometime shortly after 7IH (the arrival date of the dwarves) "During The Imprisonment of Rhazik immediately after their arrival"
lauralania said:I freaking hope so, still holding out for some sort of dark elven. Anything but the elder scrolls interpretation would leave me delighted!
The blurb on the Elven race talks about the Tohr'mentirii which seem to fit the definition of dark elves. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like they are present on Terminus. Maybe they'll make an appearance as a playable race somewhere down the road?
Elrandir said:lauralania said:I freaking hope so, still holding out for some sort of dark elven. Anything but the elder scrolls interpretation would leave me delighted!
The blurb on the Elven race talks about the Tohr'mentirii which seem to fit the definition of dark elves. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like they are present on Terminus. Maybe they'll make an appearance as a playable race somewhere down the road?
What a dangerous thought.
here is a dumb question for Istuulamae . Are you guys thinking about doing some Ebooks for the lore? Love what we have so far and thought that would be another method for getting the lore out there.
Ox
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Oxillion said:here is a dumb question for Istuulamae . Are you guys thinking about doing some Ebooks for the lore? Love what we have so far and thought that would be another method for getting the lore out there.
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That's a great question. Not dumb at all.
Right now we're trying to hold the right balance between keeping secrets for the ingame experience, keeping you all engaged with new or fresh content, and supplying what we need for world creation and oversight as we build the game. Two things impact what we do with Lore:
1) The long term perspective that pushing out Lore publicly impacts (to some degree) what we have to reveal in game. This is probably more noticable in out semi-open development though, because we have awhile before we launch but it's also been awhile since we posted the original stuff on the website. We can balance that with smart releases that setup the mysteries of Terminus, or give info on stuff that isn't as "oooh secret story time!" but nonetheless quite interesting. I'll need to think on that.
2) As of right now, as you guys are probably sick of hearing, we've got to be very careful with how we allocate manpower. Because we demand that everything developmentally is fed by Lore first, it can starve some of the other avenues, like public releases for instance. That's not our desire, but it is a bit of our reality at the moment.
But longer term? Yeah, I'd love it if we published Lore in an ebook form. Especially if it's something you all think you would enjoy.