I'm a lore junkie, and I've been re-reading the keepings and the history we have so far. I have heaps of questions, but I'm content with hopefully being able to poke around in game eventually to track down answers. :) However, there's something that puzzles me because it seems to have quietly slipped into the history. It could be inconsequential, or a giant "ah-ha!" later, and I keep coming back to it. In the beginning of Before the Ages, it says "For most of its existence, this world went by the name of Nhystyrrok..." while the second to last paragraph of that section mentions "As part of that agreement, Aevozul was rechristened Terminus." Has Terminus gone by a variety of names, with Nhystyrrok lasting the longest and Aevozul simply its current name at the time of the Dragon Accord? Or is there a more subtle reason, such as Nhystyrrok being a Drak'Fane name for the planet, while Aevozul is Drak'Elrin? Since Drak'Elrin is so saturated with power, I can easily see why the dragons (or the unknown power) would not want the planet's new inhabitants to know its real name. So... just two names from a long list, or a bigger reason than that? WTB lore-beans, please! :D
If I had to guess I would think that the variance in naming probably has to do with the "dominate" race or group of races on the world. It seems like the population of the world has historically fluctated and it is possible that the name change of Aevozul was due to the current control and it was just a symbolic exchange to indicate a new era. In any case it is really an indication of the depth of the world that is being built!
cram9030 said:If I had to guess I would think that the variance in naming probably has to do with the "dominate" race or group of races on the world. It seems like the population of the world has historically fluctated and it is possible that the name change of Aevozul was due to the current control and it was just a symbolic exchange to indicate a new era. In any case it is really an indication of the depth of the world that is being built!
This is actually a very good theory. It is kind of surprising that the Lore writers would have written the story that way because the majority of lore writers do not. The only game that I have ever played where Lore was written from the perspective of the characters in it (thus the names of things would change depending on the race of people telling the story) was The Elder Scrolls.
It wouldn’t be out of the question for the planet to have different names depending on which race you would call that place home.
Kayahni said:I'm a lore junkie, and I've been re-reading the keepings and the history we have so far. I have heaps of questions, but I'm content with hopefully being able to poke around in game eventually to track down answers. :) However, there's something that puzzles me because it seems to have quietly slipped into the history. It could be inconsequential, or a giant "ah-ha!" later, and I keep coming back to it. In the beginning of Before the Ages, it says "For most of its existence, this world went by the name of Nhystyrrok..." while the second to last paragraph of that section mentions "As part of that agreement, Aevozul was rechristened Terminus." Has Terminus gone by a variety of names, with Nhystyrrok lasting the longest and Aevozul simply its current name at the time of the Dragon Accord? Or is there a more subtle reason, such as Nhystyrrok being a Drak'Fane name for the planet, while Aevozul is Drak'Elrin? Since Drak'Elrin is so saturated with power, I can easily see why the dragons (or the unknown power) would not want the planet's new inhabitants to know its real name. So... just two names from a long list, or a bigger reason than that? WTB lore-beans, please! :D
I wonder if there is a far older story here. Maybe the different names are from far older races or gerations from long ago. Maybe there was such a event that impacted the entire planet as the story goes but it has happened before. Kind of along the lines of the human history.
The "in ther beginning" part was a bit fuzzy but it allows for some great story telling.
Awesome stuff!!
Ox
Kayahni said:I'm a lore junkie, and I've been re-reading the keepings and the history we have so far. I have heaps of questions, but I'm content with hopefully being able to poke around in game eventually to track down answers. :) However, there's something that puzzles me because it seems to have quietly slipped into the history. It could be inconsequential, or a giant "ah-ha!" later, and I keep coming back to it. In the beginning of Before the Ages, it says "For most of its existence, this world went by the name of Nhystyrrok..." while the second to last paragraph of that section mentions "As part of that agreement, Aevozul was rechristened Terminus." Has Terminus gone by a variety of names, with Nhystyrrok lasting the longest and Aevozul simply its current name at the time of the Dragon Accord? Or is there a more subtle reason, such as Nhystyrrok being a Drak'Fane name for the planet, while Aevozul is Drak'Elrin? Since Drak'Elrin is so saturated with power, I can easily see why the dragons (or the unknown power) would not want the planet's new inhabitants to know its real name. So... just two names from a long list, or a bigger reason than that? WTB lore-beans, please! :D
In the reading of the lore, I got the understanding that the Dragon Accord is a pact binding the all-powerful race of Dragons that pre-existed on Terminus to some sort of cease fire arraignment. They have agreed to this sort of 'pact', forcing them to have no interference with the path set upon by some the dragon king and his plans on bringing in the new inhabitants.
This has even gone to the point of them stopping outside gods from other worlds being able to have any power over their previous worshippers, but these dragons are not ALL powerful. The gods have been able to slip through some of the restraints in order to provide some help; war wizards
To what ends this 'cease fire' portends is my question? When does it end? what happens when it ends?
Do the dragons start back up in a war they started previously and the newly established inhabitants get caught in the middle? Or are they fodder for control and a rebuilding of armies for the dragons use?
The one thing I think the dragons DIDN'T count on is the finding of the dragon accord and the abilities of the races to decipher it...
Now the race is on for the world inhabitants to come together and rebuild to try and confront the future together... but, as we have seen, all the races are not on the same page..
Nuemcy
Nuemcy said:Kayahni said:I'm a lore junkie, and I've been re-reading the keepings and the history we have so far. I have heaps of questions, but I'm content with hopefully being able to poke around in game eventually to track down answers. :) However, there's something that puzzles me because it seems to have quietly slipped into the history. It could be inconsequential, or a giant "ah-ha!" later, and I keep coming back to it. In the beginning of Before the Ages, it says "For most of its existence, this world went by the name of Nhystyrrok..." while the second to last paragraph of that section mentions "As part of that agreement, Aevozul was rechristened Terminus." Has Terminus gone by a variety of names, with Nhystyrrok lasting the longest and Aevozul simply its current name at the time of the Dragon Accord? Or is there a more subtle reason, such as Nhystyrrok being a Drak'Fane name for the planet, while Aevozul is Drak'Elrin? Since Drak'Elrin is so saturated with power, I can easily see why the dragons (or the unknown power) would not want the planet's new inhabitants to know its real name. So... just two names from a long list, or a bigger reason than that? WTB lore-beans, please! :D
In the reading of the lore, I got the understanding that the Dragon Accord is a pact binding the all-powerful race of Dragons that pre-existed on Terminus to some sort of cease fire arraignment. They have agreed to this sort of 'pact', forcing them to have no interference with the path set upon by some the dragon king and his plans on bringing in the new inhabitants.
This has even gone to the point of them stopping outside gods from other worlds being able to have any power over their previous worshippers, but these dragons are not ALL powerful. The gods have been able to slip through some of the restraints in order to provide some help; war wizards
To what ends this 'cease fire' portends is my question? When does it end? what happens when it ends?
Do the dragons start back up in a war they started previously and the newly established inhabitants get caught in the middle? Or are they fodder for control and a rebuilding of armies for the dragons use?
The one thing I think the dragons DIDN'T count on is the finding of the dragon accord and the abilities of the races to decipher it...
Now the race is on for the world inhabitants to come together and rebuild to try and confront the future together... but, as we have seen, all the races are not on the same page..
Nuemcy
I can only assume the devastation would far worse than before if the war is restarted. The races together may be able to slow or possibly stop the dragons but that cost would be catastrophic. It does make one wonder if the races are not on the same page and some have the Accord it may rekindle hostilities between them. Strategically, the dragons have the advantage and would benefit from the chaos. Maybe some of the dragons would come to the aid of the inhabitants creating a rift between the dragons. Assumption there but an interesting direction that could be useful.
There is an older story here and I think your right on your question, “To what ends this 'cease fire'”? The only thing to stop a dragon is power and lots of it. Was it some ancient source or weapon? Even more ancient race of beings that can equal the power of the dragons? This part of the story we may have to search the planet to find them.
Ox
Oxillion said:There is an older story here and I think your right on your question, “To what ends this 'cease fire'”? The only thing to stop a dragon is power and lots of it. Was it some ancient source or weapon? Even more ancient race of beings that can equal the power of the dragons? This part of the story we may have to search the planet to find them.
Ox
My take on what the supreme power is that stopped the descent of dragons into whatever catastrophe they were headed for to start this whole deal is the lineage of the Dragon Kings. This tells me they, the Dragons, are supremely dangerous and desperate, and not to be trusted.
As per the beginning of the translation of the dragon accord by the Keeper where there is the mention of the line of Rok'Tsuntyernsire the first Dragon King and Rok’Nhilthamos, the current Dragon King(?) is where I formulate this idea.
It is here where I believe it is meant to be the ancestral power comes from on Terminus, but until more of the accord is translated it's uncertain and makes the Keepers work in translating it first paramount. Not only in finding out further details, but also discovering the necessary power to fully use the magic it contains to exist on Terminus and not end up falling prey to whatever machinations the Dragons have with all the new inhabitants.
There then is the ability to use the language the Dragon Accord, Drak'Elrin, to some effect. This is the language of the Dragon Kings themselves and something the Snow Dragon Tel’Nharssis attempts to get from Narian and is stopped by whatever agreement Khazas seems to have knowledge of...Which also gets me intrigued... Just what is that all about? How is it that we are going to have to assist these High mortal beings and war wizards in the fight to come...
How this will come about and what will happen to the races and the power struggle that ensues will be what I think our time in Terminus will be about... which I cannot wait to uncover :)
Hi Nuemcy! Interesting thread we have going here.
Your quote:
There then is the ability to use the language the Dragon Accord, Drak'Elrin, to some effect. This is the language of the Dragon Kings themselves and something the Snow Dragon Tel’Nharssis attempts to get from Narian and is stopped by whatever agreement Khazas seems to have knowledge of...Which also gets me intrigued... Just what is that all about? How is it that we are going to have to assist these High mortal beings and war wizards in the fight to come...
There obviously a legitimist fear or concern to this fact. Tel’ NHarssis was very curious at that point. I think you are correct that if the races now have the knowledge or a piece of it can be used as a Rosetta Stone. The other piece is Khazas and company are willing to risk death to get clarification. Maybe they have some assumptions on what it means and to whom or what the Dragons are afraid of. On the other hand, that may not be the case at all.
With first Dragon King I am wondering how he came to being and are the other races allowed or placed on Terminus? Love this stuff.
Ox
Oxillion said:Hi Nuemcy! Interesting thread we have going here.
Absolutely, love it dude! :) can't wait till they turn out more so we can speculate on it!! woot
Oxillion said:Your quote:
There then is the ability to use the language the Dragon Accord, Drak'Elrin, to some effect. This is the language of the Dragon Kings themselves and something the Snow Dragon Tel’Nharssis attempts to get from Narian and is stopped by whatever agreement Khazas seems to have knowledge of...Which also gets me intrigued... Just what is that all about? How is it that we are going to have to assist these High mortal beings and war wizards in the fight to come...
There obviously a legitimist fear or concern to this fact. Tel’ NHarssis was very curious at that point. I think you are correct that if the races now have the knowledge or a piece of it can be used as a Rosetta Stone. The other piece is Khazas and company are willing to risk death to get clarification. Maybe they have some assumptions on what it means and to whom or what the Dragons are afraid of. On the other hand, that may not be the case at all.
That is a great observation about Khazas! Something to definitely keep an eye on!
With first Dragon King I am wondering how he came to being and are the other races allowed or placed on Terminus? Love this stuff.
Ox
Not sure we'll get to know that, but hope there is some hints in the lore at some point, would be very interested myself!
I definitely got a serious case of nerd chills during the Age of Chaos entry, especially towards the end with the Dragon King and the emergence of the mysterious 'Emissary':
Yet there was a crack and roll of thunder across the sky. A small glint catches in the pool of Rok’Nhilthamos’ eye -- and the colossal dragon hesitates! Faster than his lid can blink, a creature like no other I had seen -- though small in comparison -- with one hand hand closed over the mouth of the Dragon King! There was a howling from one corner of the battlefield, but I could not tear my eye away from the sight above. Hovering thousands of feet in the air, it speaks:‘Blood for blood, King. There is no breach.’
The Dragon King’s growl reverberated as he replied in kind, “Blood for grace, Emissary. Yet in the future, there will be only blood.”
Is the breach refering to the accord? Who or what is the Emissary representing?!
I also wondered when that new name for Terminus came into use (and by who).
As to that emissary: The old lore told of Nexus, the supreme godess. She was the most powerful of all, but eventually died (sacrificed herself) to prevent some darkness from destroying the world. However she may have returned, and that emissary may have been from her. I don't know if any of this lore is still valid (likely not), but there definitely must be some extremely powerful celestial being in the background (who else could have created the divine barrier?). No idea what the dragons have to do with this, they appear to be almost "earthbound" celestials (in power). Maybe they helped Nexus in some form, and were promised an unknown reward for that.
Aveozul is perhaps the Secret Name in the Dragon Language of Power as was mentioned before in this post. There still are a lot of unknowns and I think much can be learned with exploration. Obviously Terminus is part of a plan and some great power has started it down the path.
There has never been nothing. That statement could point to an all knowing undying thing for which these events are just part of the job of creation.
The being known as the Emissary is powerful indeed. Imagine who or what the Emissary represents. It could be more ancient and powerful than can be understood. Maybe Time Itself, requiring constant change to stay alive. The mystery just deepens with the Sudden Appearance of the Emissary, which I feel is more of an enforcer than a political Emissary. The Dragons are just barely held in check until it is time for more change.
The Dragon Accord may not be an agreement; Accord also means to grant , as in grant power or status. The person or persons that decipher this accord may end up with the power of the Dragon King.
Or perhaps the Ravaging Lord will make a repeat perfomance. I feel like the Ill Watcher may be the injured and slightly cooked Ravaging Lord himself.
So many possibilities that I hope to discover in this game.