I agree with dorothea and Vandraad. We've all become too lazy if we can't even write something down. And I really don't get people bringing the argument to the table of "Agree" being the violation of the rules and that they don't have anything to add. Is it really such a predicament to write one sentence? If it is, then there are even more reasons to stay away from "like" button - time to relearn how to talk to each other.
there was a psychological study done on this.
this wasn't the exact one i watched, but the jist of it is the same.
Not a fan of "likes." They add little to nothing to the conversation and you have no way of know what part of any given post those people actually like. If someone posts something that is exactly how you feel about any given topic and you feel the need to contribute then you can say you agree with whomever with a short explanation as to why or which part(s) you resonate with.
philo said:That whole 1 word reply rule doesn't really apply anyway. There are many of people that reply "welcome" to threads in the introduction forum repeatedly.
Yeah. Quite a few people seem to use that forum to boost post count more than anything.
philo said:That whole 1 word reply rule doesn't really apply anyway. There are many people that reply "welcome" to threads in the introduction forum repeatedly.
Not to mention Kilsin egging us on with all the "In One Word" threads. His evil plan was finally revealed - he plans to lure everyone in and then ban us all so he doesn't need to bother moderating forum any longer!
Iksar said:Yeah. Quite a few people seem to use that forum to boost post count more than anything.
Why would they though? There will be new forum anyway and I doubt everything (if anything) will be moved there. Not to mention that post count doesn't offer anything anyway (which is a good thing) - not even forum rank change.
Iksar said:Not a fan of "likes." They add little to nothing to the conversation and you have no way of know what part of any given post those people actually like. If someone posts something that is exactly how you feel about any given topic and you feel the need to contribute then you can say you agree with whomever with a short explanation as to why or which part(s) you resonate with.
philo said:That whole 1 word reply rule doesn't really apply anyway. There are many of people that reply "welcome" to threads in the introduction forum repeatedly.
Yeah. Quite a few people seem to use that forum to boost post count more than anything.
ya, I would say that is even more worthless than showing the developers you agree with an idea by saying "I agree".
Especially when, like you mention Iksar, people use it because I guess they care about post count? That seems pretty immature to me but to each their own I guess.
It would be far more welcoming if the responses in the introduction forum were more personal than just replying "welcome" over and over.
philo said:It would be far more welcoming if the responses in the introduction forum were more personal than just replying "welcome" over and over.
I try to write something more personal whenever I can, but to be fair most introduction posts doesn't have much to hook into - especially for someone like me that doesn't have much EQ experience. And not writing anything is even worse - giving a newcomer impression of ghost forum may tone down his/her hopes for Pantheon quite a bit.
Hegenox said:And not writing anything is even worse - giving a newcomer impression of ghost forum may tone down his/her hopes for Pantheon quite a bit.
I think we just disagree.
Seeing 5 people simply respond "welcome" to my intro post and then seeing the same on others intro post...and then finding out people might be using it as a way to boost their post count wouldn't make me feel very welcome at all. If anything I would question the motives of those who responded. I don't think your "ghost forum" impression is a concern.
I'd rather have 1 person who actually responded in a thoughtful way than a dozen people who responded "welcome".
But we can agree to disagree.
philo said:Hegenox said:And not writing anything is even worse - giving a newcomer impression of ghost forum may tone down his/her hopes for Pantheon quite a bit.
I think we just disagree.
Seeing 5 people simply respond "welcome" to my intro post and then seeing the same on others intro post...and then finding out people might be using it as a way to boost their post count wouldn't make me feel very welcome at all. If anything I would question the motives of those who responded. I don't think your "ghost forum" impression is a concern.
I'd rather have 1 person who actually responded in a thoughtful way than a dozen people who responded "welcome".
But we can agree to disagree.
Sure we can.
And yes - it's better to have one great response than a dozen "hi", but it's even better to have both. It's like passing someone on the street that you've met once at a party - stopping and having a chit chat it definitely great, but most just shake hands and move on and it certainly beats ignoring a person altogether. If we happen to bump on each other more often it'll then lead to something more eventually. I can't speak for everyone - and if you are right and most people do it just for post count (probably not even reading original post in the first place - if that's a case), then it's really sad - but as for me I've read all posts I commented (and "welcomed") on and genuinely wanted to greet newcomers - which in my book it's always a positive thing to do.
Hegenox said:Sure we can.
And yes - it's better to have one great response than a dozen "hi", but it's even better to have both. It's like passing someone on the street that you've met once at a party - stopping and having a chit chat it definitely great, but most just shake hands and move on and it certainly beats ignoring a person altogether. If we happen to bump on each other more often it'll then lead to something more eventually. I can't speak for everyone - and if you are right and most people do it just for post count (probably not even reading original post in the first place - if that's a case), then it's really sad - but as for me I've read all posts I commented (and "welcomed") on and genuinely wanted to greet newcomers - which in my book it's always a positive thing to do.
:D i do it for the posts count. i have to have something large to compensate in other areas i lack -_-
jokes aside, removing a like button allows for articulation. many people have different points of views and ways to present their thoughts. it is scary how savage the forums can be since words can easily be misinterpeted and we can attack each other easily with hard cold proof.
words are just words. what a person means, sometimes doesn't match the linguistics, especially when flustered or misunderstood.
then again i'm a dirty pvper and i don't want people hiding behind a like or dislike button.
gib me dat joosy thought if you have the meddle!
(weird flex with my belly popping out)
also i would like to add with the addition to a like button, you can have people posting just for the likes and is not condusive to constructive criticism.
btw i agree that the 'in one word' posting can kinda be used against this concept. the fundimental difference is that it's not a like or dislike. we have an option to use whatever word we choose(i hate one word posts btw. not enough to describe what's in my brain). we might end up using the same word as someone else, thus giving birth to a fancy and trending form of presentation: WORD CLOUD(enter dramatic music)
stellarmind said:there was a psychological study done on this.
this wasn't the exact one i watched, but the jist of it is the same.
I dont know about the dopamine feeling at @1:00 in the video lol, but i guess i click a lot of "Like" button on youtube comments. I guess it's lazy like most have said but im not good at expressing. I just hate to twist my beard and play with my mustache (addiction?) just thinking 5-10+ minutes of what reponse im going to say to a comment or i can just throw a like and repost OP and say "THIS"
But that's personal issues i have to deal with. Having no "Like or Dislike" button dosent diminish my patient for Pantheon completion, VR, the community, or this forum. But i do understand that most people do tend to have high level of dopamine with the like\dislike button and dosent contribute anything but flame and pitch forks hell even that i get a good laugh from.
anyway had i known that this was already brought up in the pass i would not have made this post.
20 min to post this... beard and mustache addiction... :/
I'm not sure I have anything useful to really contribute, but just reading through all these comments makes me remember back on the EQ forums 20 years ago, when we'd quote people and just say "QFT" or "QFE" to show we agreed with them.
Personally - I like the feedback of a "Like" button on my posts. I mean don't get me wrong, I like it even more when someone replies and actually engages in the conversation (whether they agree with me or not), but at least when I see those "Likes" I know that people read my post and found something in it that they agreed with. It encourages me to keep posting. It's positive feedback.
Does it add more than that? No, but I'm not sure it really needs to. I definitely don't think that it needs to become a score where we keep tabs on who out of the community has the most likes, or the least. But I also feel that it's not a bad thing, especially since many people these days are interfacing with these discussions via their phones. In that context, hitting a "like" button is a lot more accessible than trying to select some of the text, scroll down and hit the quote button without losing your selection, and then somehow manage to type in a few letters like "QFE", let alone an actual complete sentence or two.
*shrug*
AbsoluteTerror said:I dont know about the dopamine feeling at @1:00 in the video lol, but i guess i click a lot of "Like" button on youtube comments. I guess it's lazy like most have said but im not good at expressing. I just hate to twist my beard and play with my mustache (addiction?) just thinking 5-10+ minutes of what reponse im going to say to a comment or i can just throw a like and repost OP and say "THIS"
But that's personal issues i have to deal with. Having no "Like or Dislike" button dosent diminish my patient for Pantheon completion, VR, the community, or this forum. But i do understand that most people do tend to have high level of dopamine with the like\dislike button and dosent contribute anything but flame and pitch forks hell even that i get a good laugh from.
anyway had i known that this was already brought up in the pass i would not have made this post.
20 min to post this... beard and mustache addiction... :/
i think it's fine to make a new post. keep the old fish swimming. it's well known that the forums aren't exactly organized to find stuff. i prefer this over a heavily curated forums because i'd stay in the pvp sphere. i appreciate it :D
get a bit of everything here.
edit: thank you for this now i can make my post count higher lulz
Let's say there was a like button, and you clicked on it. What does that mean? You agree with all of the statements made? You agree in general? You agree with a majority of the statements? Maybe you simply found the post useful, you may not agree with it but you like that post. Perhaps you like that someone brought it up. Now, can you be sure that everyone thinks exactly like you do when they hit it? Like buttons are fairly useless in this case. They're good if you like someone's video they posted of their cat doing stupid things. For discussions they are generally useless both to those clicking them, and those inferring what those likes mean.
kelenin said:Let's say there was a like button, and you clicked on it. What does that mean? You agree with all of the statements made? You agree in general? You agree with a majority of the statements? Maybe you simply found the post useful, you may not agree with it but you like that post. Perhaps you like that someone brought it up. Now, can you be sure that everyone thinks exactly like you do when they hit it? Like buttons are fairly useless in this case. They're good if you like someone's video they posted of their cat doing stupid things. For discussions they are generally useless both to those clicking them, and those inferring what those likes mean.
The post rating system here was very close to the one used on mmorpg.com if I remember correctly so it was slightly more indepth than just a like or a thumbs up but ya, good point.
Keno Monster said:philo said:That whole 1 word reply rule doesn't really apply anyway. There are many of people that reply "welcome" to threads in the introduction forum repeatedly.
Kilsin has policed 1 word replies many times. Such a great use of time.
Killin has solicited 1 word replies even more often than he's policed them.... maybe we can let him off with just a warning this time.
I type I agree all the time, I've never been corrected..
I think we should need to give written feedback. Say we agree if we do, no harm at all there. We won't be kicked off the forums. Implementing "like" systems contributes to a weird passive aggressive climate in threads..