I'm pretty sure stiches gets the news letter and he said official YouTube so. That's the only official ways of sharing even if u had Twitter they still point back to YouTube for a video. Even there Instagram doesn't have much. And their newsletters pretty much have been a joke lately 90% of the stuff they've already said they're not showing anything new except for stories about supposed in game NPCs. But they're not showing a screenshot of the same PC or anything else it's just a storyline which to me is just another joke. I would much rather see that they're working on starting areas and have small screenshots of that
OGTomkins said:Tolo said:Well depends on what you call trouble. Raidin without a healer. Or a cc. Now that’s trouble.
Way I see is it set in stone already this is what is going to happen like it or not. This game will rock, and will come when it’s ready. period. if funding to get us all there is an issue. Then it’s no issue imo.
Funds can be raised privately worsting comes to worst float and let your players and investors buy stock. Vanguard 2 no thanks MS pulled rug from Vanguard. And left old team in a deeply pile of dung. Thinking Brad did all he could do. Under the stress.
However this time around if yo need extra money I may be able to help, my Brothers a Bloomburg guy. And still remain in contact with wealthy Russian, Jewish and Arab capital. Guys. Moneys Money right.
So fail no. If shareholders have to water down stocks so be it share the love. Best to have 10% of 500 million, that a fat chunk of nothin, right. How do you think Bill Gates did so well, it wasn’t solo I know, he grew flowers and spread love..
Always best to have a plan B will be in toutch soon, regarding your prospectus.
If you Need capital and am able to do my cog in the chain. I’m planning an epic raid instance. thats if you can find it. Will be based upon a 1988 M25 London Rave. Or maybe a full moon Party, in Kho Pang Gang, who knows! So if it can happen. I need you to honour this bit too.
Kind love and Best wishes Nick Easton.
PS I did me bit, working with (Gibca) Dubai government for 10 years. can find me on Linked.
LOL I don't know why you felt the need to put this on the public forum (even if it is true). They specifically have a place for you to contact them on the pledge page for investment opportunities. Sorry this just seemed so out of place I almost spat out my drink this morning reading this. Just said them a PM not post your "success" on a forum. =D
Selling out like this is how game devs lose creative control and entertainment is monetized at the sacrifice of content, as long as content is just good enough to keep the audience subscribed. Not saying that’s what Tolo is advertising or anything. Nor am I saying that’s a bad thing, but I don’t want that for pantheon.
Vandraad said:Nothing is assured, especially when dealing with a crowdfunded endeavor. Hell, even games with the financial backing of a publisher(s) can have problems *cough* Vanguard *cough* EQNext *cough*.
Lol
Is Pantheon in trouble? Ask me after they reveal Project Faerthale. After a year of working on a single zone, this sucker better blow my mind. Due to the silence and delay, now everything is pretty much riding on this next build being both massive and extremely impressive or a lot of folks are simply going to write the team off as being overmatched.
Mathir said:Is Pantheon in trouble? Ask me after they reveal Project Faerthale. After a year of working on a single zone, this sucker better blow my mind. Due to the silence and delay, now everything is pretty much riding on this next build being both massive and extremely impressive or a lot of folks are simply going to write the team off as being overmatched.
This is very true. if this done is not super massive. Needs to be 100% on par if they don't I'm pretty sure most will be done with them and the cred for this game gone.. well all but for the super fanboys.. the other issue is if they do all this for one race they better for the others ..so that means what 7 more years... I hope they don't just give one starting place a cool theme. And just skimp out of the rest I have high expectations for the skar with how it's been talked on...
Kilsin said:I'm not worried in the slightest - We reveal work as it is ready to be viewed by the public and there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than what the public see and as with any game development company, we have to keep our cards close to our chest and make sure our reveals are of the quality and standard that we hold ourselves too, being a smaller company has its hurdles but nothing we can't overcome with a bit more time. :)
Riahuf22 said: Yup saw this coming, shot I even called it, write a topic that cracks the door, and looks like 80% of the posts after it is almost nothing but negativity, it's sad really, we donated money to a project to watch it succeed right? Why after all this time would you than turn against the people who are trying to make it all work? So what it's took longer than expected, I would much rather have a game that came out 2-3 years later and be a good game, than have them release the game when the negative and impatient people wanted it and it flops massively because it wasn't ready.
Not to sound "negative" but even 2-3 more years or 6-7 more years doesn't quarentee a good game. Not to say Pantheon won't be good, I have high expectations and hope it will. I just see this as a lot of argument topics that X time means the game will be good, more time to polish and tweak? Sure. Doesn't necessarily mean that it will be a "good game." Of course then it just comes down to opinion on what everyone considers a good game.
Assuming everyone that pledged has the same idea set and close to the same dream of what this game will be along side what VR wants to implement. Those who don't either aren't pledging ever/right now or have already left for other games.
You are 100% right we all pledged money to a project to watch it succeed. Just depends on what you call success in your book and what timeline you are willing to give to see it come to life. 2-3 more years is nothing and is most likely the realistic time line for PTRoF, but that won't exactly mean that extra 2-3 years will guarentee its success.
Raidil said:Mathir said:Is Pantheon in trouble? Ask me after they reveal Project Faerthale. After a year of working on a single zone, this sucker better blow my mind. Due to the silence and delay, now everything is pretty much riding on this next build being both massive and extremely impressive or a lot of folks are simply going to write the team off as being overmatched.
This is very true. if this done is not super massive. Needs to be 100% on par if they don't I'm pretty sure most will be done with them and the cred for this game gone.. well all but for the super fanboys.. the other issue is if they do all this for one race they better for the others ..so that means what 7 more years... I hope they don't just give one starting place a cool theme. And just skimp out of the rest I have high expectations for the skar with how it's been talked on...
I would be highly surprised if VR took that path. I can't see them putting in 150% into PF and then the rest just being mediocre. That would be a slap to us and to the devs to honestly. My guess would be if they haven't already, put in a good amount of time into all other zones to. They clearly aren't releasing a Time line for Alpha so I'd imagine if they need more time for other zones to be ready they'll post it to the forums and say so.
I think this is why a lot of concern is coming up pretty frequently in the forums of whats going on behind closed doors lol. I bet if they did 1 video showcasing some of the zones and what they've been working on even if it's just Kilsin, Joppa or whomever doing a quick 20 minute video it would silence a lot of the doubt for some time. Then they can release w/e they want to release on PF when it's ready. /shrug just my 2 cents.
I early Alpha tested EQ and Vanguard way back when. Creating a new world just takes so much time and investment. Balancing the classes is a chore by itself, but to create all the zones, NPCs, quests, items, etc... is massive.
I'm not concerned.
I do wish I was already testing though as I've done in the past and help write bugs for them. :)
OGTomkins said:Raidil said:Mathir said:Is Pantheon in trouble? Ask me after they reveal Project Faerthale. After a year of working on a single zone, this sucker better blow my mind. Due to the silence and delay, now everything is pretty much riding on this next build being both massive and extremely impressive or a lot of folks are simply going to write the team off as being overmatched.
This is very true. if this done is not super massive. Needs to be 100% on par if they don't I'm pretty sure most will be done with them and the cred for this game gone.. well all but for the super fanboys.. the other issue is if they do all this for one race they better for the others ..so that means what 7 more years... I hope they don't just give one starting place a cool theme. And just skimp out of the rest I have high expectations for the skar with how it's been talked on...
I would be highly surprised if VR took that path. I can't see them putting in 150% into PF and then the rest just being mediocre. That would be a slap to us and to the devs to honestly. My guess would be if they haven't already, put in a good amount of time into all other zones to. They clearly aren't releasing a Time line for Alpha so I'd imagine if they need more time for other zones to be ready they'll post it to the forums and say so.
I think this is why a lot of concern is coming up pretty frequently in the forums of whats going on behind closed doors lol. I bet if they did 1 video showcasing some of the zones and what they've been working on even if it's just Kilsin, Joppa or whomever doing a quick 20 minute video it would silence a lot of the doubt for some time. Then they can release w/e they want to release on PF when it's ready. /shrug just my 2 cents.
Yes it would that's the problem is it's been pretty much radio silence. They been giving written chat on reandom NPC witch is fine but I want to know what is really being worked on I'm not a big fan of a huge story behind an NPC I may not see of just kill. Sure if. Bord and have time I'll read about it. But I want news and not fluffy concept art. How it even be cool if they just took and went back and said hey we showed you this was a concept art here it is and game. That wouldn't be revealing anything that they don't need to other than the fact that look it's really in game.
((Yup saw this coming, shot I even called it, write a topic that cracks the door, and looks like 80% of the posts after it is almost nothing but negativity, it's sad ))
As someone that tries hard to emphasize the positive - let me try and positivize the negativity ((laughs)).
Saying the game has failed or will fail is inappropriate. It contributes nothing and cannot possibly help anything. If you feel Panthon is dead simply leave the forums and come back every 3 months to see if maybe you are wrong. Posts in these forums only have use if they have some element of constuctivity to them. Meaning suggestions as to what to do so that Pantheon *will not* fail.
I think the negative posts can be boiled into "Pantheon is taking too darn long" and "if things were going well they would tell us more therefore things cannot be going well".
On point one my opinion is that there is a delicate balance between speed of development and quality of the finished product. Focusing on either to the exclusion of the other is a disaster. A horrible game in three months helps no one. A wonderful game in 2030 helps no one (we will all give up long before then and so will any investors). VR management *must* make sure that at each stage of release starting with alpha the game is good enough for that stage that most players will be happy and most of the word that gets out will be positive. Releasing crap to speed things up is just wrong. VR management also *must* rein in the urge of any good developer to make just a few more changes to make it even better. Releasing a somewhat better product two years late is at least as serious a blunder as releasing crap now.
I would guess that this general statement represents the consensus view. Those who say "the sky is falling" focus too much on timing but will agree that "crap now" would be a disaster. Those who say "take as long as you need" focus too much on perfection at all costs but will agree that infinite delay is infinitely bad.
On timing there is some truth on both sides also. Some lack of detail isn't because things are going poorly - it is because past projections have proven imperfectly accurate and a culture has developed of "keep you mouth shut about future developments at all costs". Some lack of detail is because things are going more slowly than some of us want and if they say "probably we will have alpha within X months" they may miss and generate huge negativity, but if they say "probably we will have alpha within Y months" using a conservateivly padded number that wii generate huge negativity right now.
OGTomkins said:Riahuf22 said: Yup saw this coming, shot I even called it, write a topic that cracks the door, and looks like 80% of the posts after it is almost nothing but negativity, it's sad really, we donated money to a project to watch it succeed right? Why after all this time would you than turn against the people who are trying to make it all work? So what it's took longer than expected, I would much rather have a game that came out 2-3 years later and be a good game, than have them release the game when the negative and impatient people wanted it and it flops massively because it wasn't ready.Not to sound "negative" but even 2-3 more years or 6-7 more years doesn't quarentee a good game. Not to say Pantheon won't be good, I have high expectations and hope it will. I just see this as a lot of argument topics that X time means the game will be good, more time to polish and tweak? Sure. Doesn't necessarily mean that it will be a "good game." Of course then it just comes down to opinion on what everyone considers a good game.
Assuming everyone that pledged has the same idea set and close to the same dream of what this game will be along side what VR wants to implement. Those who don't either aren't pledging ever/right now or have already left for other games.
You are 100% right we all pledged money to a project to watch it succeed. Just depends on what you call success in your book and what timeline you are willing to give to see it come to life. 2-3 more years is nothing and is most likely the realistic time line for PTRoF, but that won't exactly mean that extra 2-3 years will guarentee its success.
Read comment wrong, so deleting reply.
Syrif said:Contrary to Vandraad, I am not worried. And for that matter, I'm glad this isn't Vanguard or "EQNext" - LOL.
Same here -- I just forget about Pantheon for months at a time -- then think about it, and come here to read and talk ... that is why I am not here much ..
I will wait till they tell me not to wait any longer -- and I have beta to look forward to ... just make a good product we can all be proud we waited for
Raidil said:OGTomkins said:Raidil said:Mathir said:Is Pantheon in trouble? Ask me after they reveal Project Faerthale. After a year of working on a single zone, this sucker better blow my mind. Due to the silence and delay, now everything is pretty much riding on this next build being both massive and extremely impressive or a lot of folks are simply going to write the team off as being overmatched.
This is very true. if this done is not super massive. Needs to be 100% on par if they don't I'm pretty sure most will be done with them and the cred for this game gone.. well all but for the super fanboys.. the other issue is if they do all this for one race they better for the others ..so that means what 7 more years... I hope they don't just give one starting place a cool theme. And just skimp out of the rest I have high expectations for the skar with how it's been talked on...
I would be highly surprised if VR took that path. I can't see them putting in 150% into PF and then the rest just being mediocre. That would be a slap to us and to the devs to honestly. My guess would be if they haven't already, put in a good amount of time into all other zones to. They clearly aren't releasing a Time line for Alpha so I'd imagine if they need more time for other zones to be ready they'll post it to the forums and say so.
I think this is why a lot of concern is coming up pretty frequently in the forums of whats going on behind closed doors lol. I bet if they did 1 video showcasing some of the zones and what they've been working on even if it's just Kilsin, Joppa or whomever doing a quick 20 minute video it would silence a lot of the doubt for some time. Then they can release w/e they want to release on PF when it's ready. /shrug just my 2 cents.
Yes it would that's the problem is it's been pretty much radio silence. They been giving written chat on reandom NPC witch is fine but I want to know what is really being worked on I'm not a big fan of a huge story behind an NPC I may not see of just kill. Sure if. Bord and have time I'll read about it. But I want news and not fluffy concept art. How it even be cool if they just took and went back and said hey we showed you this was a concept art here it is and game. That wouldn't be revealing anything that they don't need to other than the fact that look it's really in game.
I'm not really sure what you are trying to say here lol. If you are saying you want more hard evidence of the game then thats exactly what I said. Post a video showing us how its going. I've stated this in other posts as well.
Now my post, if you reread was answering to the lines of as much work as VR has been putting into this game I doubt they would go all out on 1 zone and leave the rest barren. I couldn't see them doing that and the fact if they need more time on a zone or project, they have proven they have no issue letting people know. Hope that clears anything up, that or I misread what you were trying to say.
OGTomkins said:Raidil said:OGTomkins said:Raidil said:Mathir said:Is Pantheon in trouble? Ask me after they reveal Project Faerthale. After a year of working on a single zone, this sucker better blow my mind. Due to the silence and delay, now everything is pretty much riding on this next build being both massive and extremely impressive or a lot of folks are simply going to write the team off as being overmatched.
This is very true. if this done is not super massive. Needs to be 100% on par if they don't I'm pretty sure most will be done with them and the cred for this game gone.. well all but for the super fanboys.. the other issue is if they do all this for one race they better for the others ..so that means what 7 more years... I hope they don't just give one starting place a cool theme. And just skimp out of the rest I have high expectations for the skar with how it's been talked on...
I would be highly surprised if VR took that path. I can't see them putting in 150% into PF and then the rest just being mediocre. That would be a slap to us and to the devs to honestly. My guess would be if they haven't already, put in a good amount of time into all other zones to. They clearly aren't releasing a Time line for Alpha so I'd imagine if they need more time for other zones to be ready they'll post it to the forums and say so.
I think this is why a lot of concern is coming up pretty frequently in the forums of whats going on behind closed doors lol. I bet if they did 1 video showcasing some of the zones and what they've been working on even if it's just Kilsin, Joppa or whomever doing a quick 20 minute video it would silence a lot of the doubt for some time. Then they can release w/e they want to release on PF when it's ready. /shrug just my 2 cents.
Yes it would that's the problem is it's been pretty much radio silence. They been giving written chat on reandom NPC witch is fine but I want to know what is really being worked on I'm not a big fan of a huge story behind an NPC I may not see of just kill. Sure if. Bord and have time I'll read about it. But I want news and not fluffy concept art. How it even be cool if they just took and went back and said hey we showed you this was a concept art here it is and game. That wouldn't be revealing anything that they don't need to other than the fact that look it's really in game.
I'm not really sure what you are trying to say here lol. If you are saying you want more hard evidence of the game then thats exactly what I said. Post a video showing us how its going. I've stated this in other posts as well.
Now my post, if you reread was answering to the lines of as much work as VR has been putting into this game I doubt they would go all out on 1 zone and leave the rest barren. I couldn't see them doing that and the fact if they need more time on a zone or project, they have proven they have no issue letting people know. Hope that clears anything up, that or I misread what you were trying to say.
nope that's pretty much what I was saying like to see a little bit of hard evidence and really hope that it's not just one zone
Raidil said:This is very true. if this done is not super massive. Needs to be 100% on par if they don't I'm pretty sure most will be done with them and the cred for this game gone.. well all but for the super fanboys.. the other issue is if they do all this for one race they better for the others ..so that means what 7 more years... I hope they don't just give one starting place a cool theme. And just skimp out of the rest I have high expectations for the skar with how it's been talked on...
Project Faerthale is to be the reference for all other zones, it is intended to be the minimum workmanship going forward. The first mostly feature complete zone(s) that bring all the major systems together, not 100% done but most of the way there save for future animation/effects/systems updates. From there it is a much faster process to apply all of this to all zones going forward, once the workflow is established and assets/systems/etc are in place. World building only gets faster from there.
From my experience Brad has a vision and it always grows as he creates the game. He finds he wants to do this and wants to add that because it will make the game better. I could see a lot of his vision in Vanguard that wasn't finished. And it was sad that it wasn't because I think there was just random NPCs placed in random spots to fill the void instead of story lines and proper game play characteristics. It wasn't the work that was put into the rest of the game. He wasn't allowed to finish due to MS.
I can understand being concerned. Anyone has the right to be concerned at this point. Just trust that Brad has this vision and if we give him the time to bring it to life him and this development team will give us something that is better than EQ, or VG, or even any other game out there.
I have my own concerns from time to time and I always fall back to how great Vanguard was even with all it's problems and how amazing this game could be if the team is just given the time they need to make it happen. I've even posted about them myself so I know what it's like to be in your shoes.
So am I worried? No, I think it will get released and be a hit if people give it time. If they aren't willing I am, and I think the team has come far enough they wont stop until it's finished no matter what. I think they have reached the point where it would be too costly not to finish rather than scrapping it altogether.
Riahuf22 said: Yup saw this coming, shot I even called it, write a topic that cracks the door, and looks like 80% of the posts after it is almost nothing but negativity, it's sad really, we donated money to a project to watch it succeed right? Why after all this time would you than turn against the people who are trying to make it all work? So what it's took longer than expected, I would much rather have a game that came out 2-3 years later and be a good game, than have them release the game when the negative and impatient people wanted it and it flops massively because it wasn't ready.
While I sort of agree with you, i knew this entire thread would be 80+% negative but really, this is on Pantheon/VR/Brad (whoever). We went from seeing streams that made the game look really good and was progressing at a reasonable pace. Then for the last 6 months we've been getting 2D concept art, and videos of a single lightning bolt, and weapons that could have been rendered on an iPad in an hours time...
People are doing a double take of what the-hell. They are acting like a lightning bolt with AE splash is a really big deal. EQ1 had AE splash splash dmg and that weapon video in the last newsletter seemed like a gigantic joke. almost like being punked. And the newletters before that, outside the lore parts are still 2D paper art. At this time we all wanted to be DEEP into Alpha. But the game looks as if it was started 5 months ago, not 5 YEARS ago. (going by newletters).
I am still supporting the game. Even after all this, I have given the game close to $500 so far when you add up the time I was monthly, then the $300 pledge and then the $40 shirt. i keep hoping for the best but honestly, I am starting to question if this game is ever going to make it to Alpha. much less released. Even die hard fans like myself are giving up hope at this point. PH isn't going to be enough to change that for me. PH just means one more demo zone for streamers. With PH, we will have 5 zones "done" out of 30?
oh well, cross fingers and hope. since all we have is 2D drawings of ideas, lame-ass videos that are a joke, and a couple of "demo zones" for streamers. we can't really do much else. I honestly need to and want to take a break from this site, these forums etc but I am so excited for the Pantheon idea, i just keep coming back and I just keep getting disappointed each and every time.
Mathir said:After a year of working on a single zone, this sucker better blow my mind. Due to the silence and delay, now everything is pretty much riding on this next build being both massive and extremely impressive or a lot of folks are simply going to write the team off as being overmatched.
I get a feeling it is going to be more like faydwar from EQ.. a continent or a region including a multitude of zones include full dungeons, raids, cities, factions, loot tables, etc.. They have said this project is going to be essentially a Demo they can show off and test in including pretty much all the features of the game. I would wager this is where initial phases of Alpha would take place too.
I am not worried at all. Anyone who has been following the game at all knows that they are essentially overhauling Unity to be able to do what it needs to, to handle us gamers and our high expectations. I strongly believe that as the toolsets are finished and the designers are set free, the rest of the game will move at incredible speeds! They are building simplifying tools that allow designers to easily generate encounters, interactables, mechanics, etc.. These tools, in my humble opinion, are largely to blame for the long delay people are uncomfortable with. Generally, these tools are in place before a game is even announced and the game is already in at least alpha.
I personally admire their enginuity and perseverance with developing Unity, not only for them, but for future developers as well to show what the engine is capable of. The only expectation I have is that once project faerthale comes to a wrap, that announcements of alpha dates will be soon to follow. They will probably also put a hold on most encounter and interaction (perseption, quests, etc) implimentation until the first couple rounds of alpha to allow them time to tweak/fix.
Flapp said:Riahuf22 said: Yup saw this coming, shot I even called it, write a topic that cracks the door, and looks like 80% of the posts after it is almost nothing but negativity, it's sad really, we donated money to a project to watch it succeed right? Why after all this time would you than turn against the people who are trying to make it all work? So what it's took longer than expected, I would much rather have a game that came out 2-3 years later and be a good game, than have them release the game when the negative and impatient people wanted it and it flops massively because it wasn't ready.While I sort of agree with you, i knew this entire thread would be 80+% negative but really, this is on Pantheon/VR/Brad (whoever). We went from seeing streams that made the game look really good and was progressing at a reasonable pace. Then for the last 6 months we've been getting 2D concept art, and videos of a single lightning bolt, and weapons that could have been rendered on an iPad in an hours time...
People are doing a double take of what the-hell. They are acting like a lightning bolt with AE splash is a really big deal. EQ1 had AE splash splash dmg and that weapon video in the last newsletter seemed like a gigantic joke. almost like being punked. And the newletters before that, outside the lore parts are still 2D paper art. At this time we all wanted to be DEEP into Alpha. But the game looks as if it was started 5 months ago, not 5 YEARS ago. (going by newletters).
I am still supporting the game. Even after all this, I have given the game close to $500 so far when you add up the time I was monthly, then the $300 pledge and then the $40 shirt. i keep hoping for the best but honestly, I am starting to question if this game is ever going to make it to Alpha. much less released. Even die hard fans like myself are giving up hope at this point. PH isn't going to be enough to change that for me. PH just means one more demo zone for streamers. With PH, we will have 5 zones "done" out of 30?
oh well, cross fingers and hope. since all we have is 2D drawings of ideas, lame-ass videos that are a joke, and a couple of "demo zones" for streamers. we can't really do much else. I honestly need to and want to take a break from this site, these forums etc but I am so excited for the Pantheon idea, i just keep coming back and I just keep getting disappointed each and every time.
What up guys Ashton Kutcher here and welcome to Punked, today we're going to tell a bunch of fans that Pantheon Rise of the Fallen is ready for Alpha next week! Once we get them nice and excited we're going to come in with my good friend Charlie Hunnam and let them know they've been punked! XD
Mathir said:Is Pantheon in trouble? Ask me after they reveal Project Faerthale. After a year of working on a single zone, this sucker better blow my mind. Due to the silence and delay, now everything is pretty much riding on this next build being both massive and extremely impressive or a lot of folks are simply going to write the team off as being overmatched.
A single zone can be fairly misleading. It's a bit like the work that was done on the Apollo program in the 60s and wondering why we spent so much money building a simple rocket. This isn't something as simple as building BRK, keep in mind.