Tanix said:disposalist said:Zorkon said:I have no problem with them having cosmetic items as long as I can turn them off (and I will).
However when I'm paying a subscription I expect the Devs to be working on the game itself. I don't consider cash shop fluffy pink boa's to be part of the game. I Know it's not part of the game I will consume. Now if that fluffy pink boa is a quest reward, and a friend or my wife wants it, THEN there is something for me as I will run the quest with them to help them get the silly thing.
I'm here to have fun, and I don't see flopping down $1.50 for a line of computer code to be much fun.
I don't mean to be argumentitive and I also do not want a cosmetics cash shop with weird fluff items in it, but...
...we are all expecting to pay cash for 'lines of code' - any computer game is cash for lines of code - and some people feel the look of a character they play is very much a 'part of the game'.
If you can 'turn off' the look of someone's character you are making a significant part of their game largely pointless.
As I've said before, it's not the end of the world to me if there are no cosmetics (and I'd prefer some kind of more restrictive transmog or wardrobe system) but if you make it 'ignorable' with a switch there may as well not be one.
This is exactly why I think I am about to give up on gaming altogether and why I find communication with the general public to be an excercise in futility.
Glad I could help with that decision and, yeah, you certainly do appear to struggle dealing with others.
disposalist said:Tanix said:disposalist said:Zorkon said:I have no problem with them having cosmetic items as long as I can turn them off (and I will).
However when I'm paying a subscription I expect the Devs to be working on the game itself. I don't consider cash shop fluffy pink boa's to be part of the game. I Know it's not part of the game I will consume. Now if that fluffy pink boa is a quest reward, and a friend or my wife wants it, THEN there is something for me as I will run the quest with them to help them get the silly thing.
I'm here to have fun, and I don't see flopping down $1.50 for a line of computer code to be much fun.
I don't mean to be argumentitive and I also do not want a cosmetics cash shop with weird fluff items in it, but...
...we are all expecting to pay cash for 'lines of code' - any computer game is cash for lines of code - and some people feel the look of a character they play is very much a 'part of the game'.
If you can 'turn off' the look of someone's character you are making a significant part of their game largely pointless.
As I've said before, it's not the end of the world to me if there are no cosmetics (and I'd prefer some kind of more restrictive transmog or wardrobe system) but if you make it 'ignorable' with a switch there may as well not be one.
This is exactly why I think I am about to give up on gaming altogether and why I find communication with the general public to be an excercise in futility.
Glad I could help with that decision and, yeah, you certainly do appear to struggle dealing with others.
So you are glad you are the cause of turning someone away from the public? Let me guess, is this another #communitymatters outreach?
Tanix said:disposalist said:Tanix said:disposalist said:Zorkon said:I have no problem with them having cosmetic items as long as I can turn them off (and I will).
However when I'm paying a subscription I expect the Devs to be working on the game itself. I don't consider cash shop fluffy pink boa's to be part of the game. I Know it's not part of the game I will consume. Now if that fluffy pink boa is a quest reward, and a friend or my wife wants it, THEN there is something for me as I will run the quest with them to help them get the silly thing.
I'm here to have fun, and I don't see flopping down $1.50 for a line of computer code to be much fun.
I don't mean to be argumentitive and I also do not want a cosmetics cash shop with weird fluff items in it, but...
...we are all expecting to pay cash for 'lines of code' - any computer game is cash for lines of code - and some people feel the look of a character they play is very much a 'part of the game'.
If you can 'turn off' the look of someone's character you are making a significant part of their game largely pointless.
As I've said before, it's not the end of the world to me if there are no cosmetics (and I'd prefer some kind of more restrictive transmog or wardrobe system) but if you make it 'ignorable' with a switch there may as well not be one.
This is exactly why I think I am about to give up on gaming altogether and why I find communication with the general public to be an excercise in futility.
Glad I could help with that decision and, yeah, you certainly do appear to struggle dealing with others.
So you are glad you are the cause of turning someone away from the public? Let me guess, is this another #communitymatters outreach?
You state right here that you "find communication with the general public to be an excercise in futility" but it's me that's turning you away? Try some introspection?
You don't really need my help. Your regular not-so-subtle passive aggressive insults and your superior attitude are more than enough to exclude yourself and for no one to mind.
*sigh* I really shouldn't bother responding. Some people will never see that if they regularly find themselves being rude to strangers that maybe the strangers aren't the problem. Talk about an exercise in futility...
No doubt you will have some debate-class perfect response to 'win' this thread... I'm going to do my best not to respond to you at all from now on. Enough derailing argument - sorry everyone (else).
Zorkon said:disposalist said:Zorkon said:I have no problem with them having cosmetic items as long as I can turn them off (and I will).
However when I'm paying a subscription I expect the Devs to be working on the game itself. I don't consider cash shop fluffy pink boa's to be part of the game. I Know it's not part of the game I will consume. Now if that fluffy pink boa is a quest reward, and a friend or my wife wants it, THEN there is something for me as I will run the quest with them to help them get the silly thing.
I'm here to have fun, and I don't see flopping down $1.50 for a line of computer code to be much fun.
I don't mean to be argumentitive and I also do not want a cosmetics cash shop with weird fluff items in it, but...
...we are all expecting to pay cash for 'lines of code' - any computer game is cash for lines of code - and some people feel the look of a character they play is very much a 'part of the game'.
If you can 'turn off' the look of someone's character you are making a significant part of their game largely pointless.
As I've said before, it's not the end of the world to me if there are no cosmetics (and I'd prefer some kind of more restrictive transmog or wardrobe system) but if you make it 'ignorable' with a switch there may as well not be one.
"Turning off the look of others" cosmetics" has already been confirmed by Brad as a likely solution.
Yeah, I've read that. As far as I'm concerned there may as well not be cosmetics, then. I will turn them off myself so that I can see myself as others see me and will have to take care over what I wore just like I did in EQ.
Was hoping for improvement in that area from Pantheon, is all. I'd rather they didn't waste time coding cosmetics if maybe half the players won't see them or use them.
disposalist said:Yeah, I've read that. As far as I'm concerned there may as well not be cosmetics, then. I will turn them off myself so that I can see myself as others see me and will have to take care over what I wore just like I did in EQ.
Was hoping for improvement in that area from Pantheon, is all. I'd rather they didn't waste time coding cosmetics if maybe half the players won't see them or use them.
With VR's solution "half the players" won't need to see them. The other "half" can leave it on and see them. It is actually designed to be a strong attempt at a solution for 100% of the people. I don't care what side you're on; you're just making up 50% and I'll get in your boat if you don't mind me rocking it.... does 50% sound like a small percentage to you?
Welp.
i can see that folks are already heavily invested in this game, and I suppose that’s a good thing.
But I want to caution you, or at least try to manage expectations, so that there are fewer hard feelings when something is done that you strongly disagree with.
i can appreciate worry about pay to win. It’s one of the top complaints in most F2P games.
But simply adding in cosmetic gear that has no bearing on your own gameplay is not the big bad wolf. One of the coolest things that engaged and invested a lot of players in GW2, for example, was the ability to dye pieces of armour. Simple, but folks ate that stuff up. Because it allowed you to be unique which created further investment in the character you were building.
The biggest source of conflict between players in any MMO happens when one person or group tries to control how another plays. Frankly I think it would be delightful to see an ogre in a pink tutu fighting a dragon if that is that player’s personal style. More power to him, or her.
MMOs, successful one’s at least, try to cater to the widest audience possible in order to sustain them. The minute you become exclusive, you miss out on a whole segment of players. Subscription based or not. And while most MMOs go the freemium route because the player base dies off and even the diehard core can’t keep up with the overall cost to maintain; it’s much better financially to have thousands of players who can play (and dress) how they like, than a small hardcore group who says no to everything but “purism.”
Dont get me wrong. I appreciate the idea of working hard to get a coveted piece of gear. But the majority of MMO players don’t feel that way, and they outnumber us and with a subscription on top, they’ll leave for the next great game the minute they can’t get what they want. It’s the nature of the industry.
And I’m not sure a skin shop is the hill worth dying on. Not when it further funds the game.
I always thought it would be nice if crafters could create a pattern from equipment that could then be used to alter the appearance of another item.
However, extracting the pattern should destroy the original item. This introduces an in-game cost for the vanity.
Allow a toggle for the no-vanity purists, allow the vain an in-game non-cash shop option, and increase the demand and value of crafters.
Just my 2 cents.
disposalist said:Tanix said:disposalist said:Tanix said:disposalist said:Zorkon said:I have no problem with them having cosmetic items as long as I can turn them off (and I will).
However when I'm paying a subscription I expect the Devs to be working on the game itself. I don't consider cash shop fluffy pink boa's to be part of the game. I Know it's not part of the game I will consume. Now if that fluffy pink boa is a quest reward, and a friend or my wife wants it, THEN there is something for me as I will run the quest with them to help them get the silly thing.
I'm here to have fun, and I don't see flopping down $1.50 for a line of computer code to be much fun.
I don't mean to be argumentitive and I also do not want a cosmetics cash shop with weird fluff items in it, but...
...we are all expecting to pay cash for 'lines of code' - any computer game is cash for lines of code - and some people feel the look of a character they play is very much a 'part of the game'.
If you can 'turn off' the look of someone's character you are making a significant part of their game largely pointless.
As I've said before, it's not the end of the world to me if there are no cosmetics (and I'd prefer some kind of more restrictive transmog or wardrobe system) but if you make it 'ignorable' with a switch there may as well not be one.
This is exactly why I think I am about to give up on gaming altogether and why I find communication with the general public to be an excercise in futility.
Glad I could help with that decision and, yeah, you certainly do appear to struggle dealing with others.
So you are glad you are the cause of turning someone away from the public? Let me guess, is this another #communitymatters outreach?
You state right here that you "find communication with the general public to be an excercise in futility" but it's me that's turning you away? Try some introspection?
You don't really need my help. Your regular not-so-subtle passive aggressive insults and your superior attitude are more than enough to exclude yourself and for no one to mind.
*sigh* I really shouldn't bother responding. Some people will never see that if they regularly find themselves being rude to strangers that maybe the strangers aren't the problem. Talk about an exercise in futility...
No doubt you will have some debate-class perfect response to 'win' this thread... I'm going to do my best not to respond to you at all from now on. Enough derailing argument - sorry everyone (else).
Wow. Just.. wow. You really can't enjoy the game without forcing others to see your cosmetics? And your responses to reasoned discussion has me shaking my head.
SugarCayne said:The biggest source of conflict between players in any MMO happens when one person or group tries to control how another plays. Frankly I think it would be delightful to see an ogre in a pink tutu fighting a dragon if that is that player’s personal style. More power to him, or her.
MMOs, successful one’s at least, try to cater to the widest audience possible in order to sustain them. The minute you become exclusive, you miss out on a whole segment of players. ....it’s much better financially to have thousands of players who can play (and dress) how they like, than a small hardcore group who says no to everything but “purism.”
the majority of MMO players don’t feel that way, and they outnumber us and with a subscription on top, they’ll leave for the next great game the minute they can’t get what they want.
I don't have much disagreement with your assessment of the industry. I just want to point out a perspective that I think perhaps you haven't heard yet. (This is based on you having only 8 posts lol. If you've actually been lurking for years, then I could be wrong)
"1.1 Who is the targeted player (demographic) base for this game, and why? While some MMOs have been designed with the goal and desire to appeal to all gamers, all of the time, we at Visionary Realms believe the future of MMOs is all about making more focused games, targeting specific gamers with distinct preferences."
The Dev team has frequently over the years made it known that their philosophy is to try to make a 'niche' game, that appeals to a certain subset of the gaming community. They believe that there are enough players in the niche to support a game like Pantheon long term.That approach is strongly intertwined with the process of crowdfunding that they have and continue to use to support it.
To appeal to that niche requires accurately analysing what that group wants in a game, and responding to it even IF it is not what the 'mainstream gaming community" prefers. You have landed in the middle of one subject that has strong opinions among the members.
There have been more than a few discussions on these forums about the idea of 'cosmetics' in general, as well as many discussions about the 'slippery slope' of cash shops, how they may start out selling 'harmless' cosmetic upgrades but slowly evolve into P2W.
I'm not heavily invested in either side of that debate. My read is that the majority of forum members have some strong dislike of the idea of ANY cash shops, which is the side I lean toward. A lesser percentage are still strongly against cosmetic purchases, though I have no idea if that is a majority or not. Personally, if that was ALL you could buy for money, I wouldn't quit over it.
I just wanted to point out that you are jumping into a passionate, going debate here. And the forum 'search' function is usefull -- but could be much MORE useful -- for finding out stuff like this.
Point taken Jothany and thank you for the thoughtful response.
And you are absolutely correct, I should have read more before posting, but I honestly did not think my suggestion would be as divisive as it appears to be. It was brought up with good intention. I just invested a chunk of change, what did I really like in other games, sort of thing.
Darck said:disposalist said:Tanix said:disposalist said:Tanix said:disposalist said:Zorkon said:I have no problem with them having cosmetic items as long as I can turn them off (and I will).
However when I'm paying a subscription I expect the Devs to be working on the game itself. I don't consider cash shop fluffy pink boa's to be part of the game. I Know it's not part of the game I will consume. Now if that fluffy pink boa is a quest reward, and a friend or my wife wants it, THEN there is something for me as I will run the quest with them to help them get the silly thing.
I'm here to have fun, and I don't see flopping down $1.50 for a line of computer code to be much fun.
I don't mean to be argumentitive and I also do not want a cosmetics cash shop with weird fluff items in it, but...
...we are all expecting to pay cash for 'lines of code' - any computer game is cash for lines of code - and some people feel the look of a character they play is very much a 'part of the game'.
If you can 'turn off' the look of someone's character you are making a significant part of their game largely pointless.
As I've said before, it's not the end of the world to me if there are no cosmetics (and I'd prefer some kind of more restrictive transmog or wardrobe system) but if you make it 'ignorable' with a switch there may as well not be one.
This is exactly why I think I am about to give up on gaming altogether and why I find communication with the general public to be an excercise in futility.
Glad I could help with that decision and, yeah, you certainly do appear to struggle dealing with others.
So you are glad you are the cause of turning someone away from the public? Let me guess, is this another #communitymatters outreach?
You state right here that you "find communication with the general public to be an excercise in futility" but it's me that's turning you away? Try some introspection?
You don't really need my help. Your regular not-so-subtle passive aggressive insults and your superior attitude are more than enough to exclude yourself and for no one to mind.
*sigh* I really shouldn't bother responding. Some people will never see that if they regularly find themselves being rude to strangers that maybe the strangers aren't the problem. Talk about an exercise in futility...
No doubt you will have some debate-class perfect response to 'win' this thread... I'm going to do my best not to respond to you at all from now on. Enough derailing argument - sorry everyone (else).
Wow. Just.. wow. You really can't enjoy the game without forcing others to see your cosmetics? And your responses to reasoned discussion has me shaking my head.
"can't enjoy the game without forcing others to see your cosmetic" Not what I said. More like, won't bother using cosmetics if half players see something else that I don't.
"your responses to reasoned discussion has me shaking my head" Really? I tend to respond to reasoned discussion with my own. Like most people, I respond differently to personal attacks, though, perhaps I should just ignore them. Either way - if you want reasoned discussion, let's leave that stuff alone.
SugarCayne said:Point taken Jothany and thank you for the thoughtful response.
And you are absolutely correct, I should have read more before posting, but I honestly did not think my suggestion would be as divisive as it appears to be. It was brought up with good intention. I just invested a chunk of change, what did I really like in other games, sort of thing.
It's not your fault. There are a lot of issues where the community agree and want the same thing. There are a few where there is continued heated debate and VR will just have to determine what they think is best.
Some are willing to continue to discuss when new folk come along. Some are not.
I hope you aren't put off from putting your opinion out there.
There are some topics where Kilsin the Community Manager will come along, sort things out and maybe shut the discussion down if it's not productive or if it's something that VR have firm plans on, so he feels the potential for argument outweighs any possible productive benefit of discussion.
disposalist said:Darck said:disposalist said:Tanix said:disposalist said:Tanix said:disposalist said:Zorkon said:I have no problem with them having cosmetic items as long as I can turn them off (and I will).
However when I'm paying a subscription I expect the Devs to be working on the game itself. I don't consider cash shop fluffy pink boa's to be part of the game. I Know it's not part of the game I will consume. Now if that fluffy pink boa is a quest reward, and a friend or my wife wants it, THEN there is something for me as I will run the quest with them to help them get the silly thing.
I'm here to have fun, and I don't see flopping down $1.50 for a line of computer code to be much fun.
I don't mean to be argumentitive and I also do not want a cosmetics cash shop with weird fluff items in it, but...
...we are all expecting to pay cash for 'lines of code' - any computer game is cash for lines of code - and some people feel the look of a character they play is very much a 'part of the game'.
If you can 'turn off' the look of someone's character you are making a significant part of their game largely pointless.
As I've said before, it's not the end of the world to me if there are no cosmetics (and I'd prefer some kind of more restrictive transmog or wardrobe system) but if you make it 'ignorable' with a switch there may as well not be one.
This is exactly why I think I am about to give up on gaming altogether and why I find communication with the general public to be an excercise in futility.
Glad I could help with that decision and, yeah, you certainly do appear to struggle dealing with others.
So you are glad you are the cause of turning someone away from the public? Let me guess, is this another #communitymatters outreach?
You state right here that you "find communication with the general public to be an excercise in futility" but it's me that's turning you away? Try some introspection?
You don't really need my help. Your regular not-so-subtle passive aggressive insults and your superior attitude are more than enough to exclude yourself and for no one to mind.
*sigh* I really shouldn't bother responding. Some people will never see that if they regularly find themselves being rude to strangers that maybe the strangers aren't the problem. Talk about an exercise in futility...
No doubt you will have some debate-class perfect response to 'win' this thread... I'm going to do my best not to respond to you at all from now on. Enough derailing argument - sorry everyone (else).
Wow. Just.. wow. You really can't enjoy the game without forcing others to see your cosmetics? And your responses to reasoned discussion has me shaking my head.
"can't enjoy the game without forcing others to see your cosmetic" Not what I said. More like, won't bother using cosmetics if half players see something else that I don't.
"your responses to reasoned discussion has me shaking my head" Really? I tend to respond to reasoned discussion with my own. Like most people, I respond differently to personal attacks, though, perhaps I should just ignore them. Either way - if you want reasoned discussion, let's leave that stuff alone.
Ah ok so you don't enjoy cosmetics unless everyone can see them. So its a personal thing there. Ok, fair enough. If your not advocating forcing anything on everyone else, then I certainly have no objection to what your saying on that subject.
The rest of it though.. I think you might be seeing things that aren't attacks, as attacks, and responding as such. Just my observations.
Darck said:
Ah ok so you don't enjoy cosmetics unless everyone can see them. So its a personal thing there. Ok, fair enough. If your not advocating forcing anything on everyone else, then I certainly have no objection to what your saying on that subject.
The rest of it though.. I think you might be seeing things that aren't attacks, as attacks, and responding as such. Just my observations.
While this may not be on topic I think it really does apply to the #communitymatters part. Just like on live EQ these forums are a small community. People have gained a reputation on these forums like they would on a live server. For better or worse you can see it happening more over the past weeks.
I'm "against" cosmetics but if they exist I don't think people should have the ability to turn them off. I guess I'm all or nothing.
What i dislike about ESO (in PvP) is that i think i see a light armored mage when i attack but then it is a heavy armored 2-handed sword dude who whacks me in one blow.
I like vanity gear, at least that you can still distinquish light from heavy or that you can turn it of for yourself.
But, since i will play Pantheon PvE i wouldn't mind it as much.
knoote said:What i dislike about ESO (in PvP) is that i think i see a light armored mage when i attack but then it is a heavy armored 2-handed sword dude who whacks me in one blow.
I like vanity gear, at least that you can still distinquish light from heavy or that you can turn it of for yourself.
But, since i will play Pantheon PvE i wouldn't mind it as much.
Yeah in PvP I can absolutely see how you need to see what someone is and even specifically what they are wearing from their look. A combat can be over before you have any chance to know what you're dealing with otherwise. There's a whole stealth and consealment and surprise argument, but no one should be allowed to 'hide' that they are wearing plate armour, for example, or make themselves totally look like another class even to the expert eye.
In PvE it's not so important, but I would still not like to see someone who is gaining the effects of plate armor look like they are in a dress, for example. I would prefer some kind of transmog that only allows pieces to look like other pieces of the same type and nothing too weird that doesn't even exist as 'adventuring' gear or anything that you couldn't use or even haven't used before.
I think the definiton of 'cosmetics' is a bit of a problem when discussing. Some think of non-adventuring, role-playing stuff (like ballgowns and suits) and some, like me, just want to avoid the look of a new piece they don't like by keeping the look of an old piece they were already using.
disposalist said:knoote said:What i dislike about ESO (in PvP) is that i think i see a light armored mage when i attack but then it is a heavy armored 2-handed sword dude who whacks me in one blow.
I like vanity gear, at least that you can still distinquish light from heavy or that you can turn it of for yourself.
But, since i will play Pantheon PvE i wouldn't mind it as much.
Yeah in PvP I can absolutely see how you need to see what someone is and even specifically what they are wearing from their look. A combat can be over before you have any chance to know what you're dealing with otherwise. There's a whole stealth and consealment and surprise argument, but no one should be allowed to 'hide' that they are wearing plate armour, for example, or make themselves totally look like another class even to the expert eye.
In PvE it's not so important, but I would still not like to see someone who is gaining the effects of plate armor look like they are in a dress, for example. I would prefer some kind of transmog that only allows pieces to look like other pieces of the same type and nothing too weird that doesn't even exist as 'adventuring' gear or anything that you couldn't use or even haven't used before.
I think the definiton of 'cosmetics' is a bit of a problem when discussing. Some think of non-adventuring, role-playing stuff (like ballgowns and suits) and some, like me, just want to avoid the look of a new piece they don't like by keeping the look of an old piece they were already using.
n PvE it is important. You have argued previously that "how you look" is very important in the game, that having other people see you as you want to be seen is a significant part of play. I can understand this, but I think that how you look should be a representation of what you are actually wearing. If you want to put on a swimsuit and sandals with zero protections on and then wear that fighting in a dungeon, more power to you, but you will be protected as that.
If you want to wear that "look", but actually be wearing full plate armor of the gods under it, that is a problem. You see, how you look to everyone else is also important to them. It tells them a bit about you. If you are a high level and are wearing a bunch of garbage gear, it suggests you "might" be a power leveled character (providing you don't have a reason for such). If you show up to the group wearing gear that far outpaces the groups level, then it signifies you are a twink of some sort, either made so by an alt or bought and paid for from a plat seller.
In both of those cases, it would tell me you are very likely to not be skilled at your class be it because you fast paced through that characters progression or you overpowered its play with high end twink gear (ie you didn't experience the difficulty in playing the class at its proper power level).
Seeing what you are actually wearing also helps in some looting situations. That is, you come to a group that is camping the "sword of amazing" and you claim you always wanted that, it is something you have been trying to get for months... people take pity, and allow you to be first pick on it (as they were all camping it for a cash drop). You say this, all the while actually wielding the sword that they are camping with full intentions of selling it, but because you have an appearance of lower than average gear, you look like you could use it.
I see no benefit in play other than to mislead people by giving them the option to hide what they are actually wearing with something else. In fact, the entire concept of how you look as you say, being very important is also a reason why some like you not being able to hide such. It is because being able to see what someone actually has is a status symbol, something that tells people what you have earned in play and in some ways it can be a road map of your experiences.
The cash shop always seems to bypass the crafting option...Crafting should be for more than money...Why not make it the avenue to make the visual enhancements as well? How cool would it be if you could craft a transmogrification to wear...Hide that high level suit of armor with a crafted illusion of beggar's robes...
Customizing and appearing half naked? well, if you're FFXIV, that appears to have been part of the business model. I think this one should be more controlled for RPG type stuff and maybe less RP without the G...
Baerr said:The cash shop always seems to bypass the crafting option...Crafting should be for more than money...Why not make it the avenue to make the visual enhancements as well? How cool would it be if you could craft a transmogrification to wear...Hide that high level suit of armor with a crafted illusion of beggar's robes...
Customizing and appearing half naked? well, if you're FFXIV, that appears to have been part of the business model. I think this one should be more controlled for RPG type stuff and maybe less RP without the G...
i love this idea!
disposalist said:In LotRO, I would travel the world collecting as many gear items as possible for every slot, no matter the stats. Talking to all the crafters to see what they could make. Checking out even out-levelled quest lines to see if they gave interesting looking armor rewards. All so I had a large range of possible looks in my 'wardrobe'. It was exciting to get a new item no matter the stats. As long as it had a different look it was still of some possible use.
Yup. A good wardrobe system adds an incredible amount of longevity to a game and helps keep even "old" content relevant.
I hope like crazy that VR takes a page out of Rift/LotRO/GW2/WildStar/WoW when it comes to how to design a wardrobe system.