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My Sanity Hinges on an R

    • 209 posts
    April 27, 2019 11:56 AM PDT

    I really enjoyed the recent stream, but there was one little detail in it that I’m fairly certain I’ll go nuts if I don’t mention. That detail is the name of the “Ulthiran Blaspheme.” It really should be “Blasphemer.” Brad even commented on it and asked if it was meant to be “Blasphemer,” but just had the last letter chopped off somehow. The general consensus among others seemed to be that “Blaspheme” was correct…but it’s not. Blaspheme is a verb meaning “to speak or act in a way that insults something sacred,” and blasphemer is a noun meaning “one who blasphemes.” Calling a mob an Ulthiran Blaspheme instead of an Ulthiran Blasphemer is like calling it an “Ulthiran Walk” instead of “Ulthiran Walker,” or “Ulthiran Slash” instead of “Ulthiran Slasher.” See what I mean?

    If that little one-letter error makes it into the finished game, it will drive me buggy every time I set foot in Halnir Cave. It will ruin my sense of immersion, and I may find myself unable to continue playing. Before you know it, I’ll be returning to WoW and its ilk, settling for a sub-par mmo experience and missing out on a far superior experience in Pantheon, all because I couldn’t handle seeing that one misnamed mob. Please VR, don’t force me to go down that dark path. Put an R at the end of the Blaspheme’s name and save the gaming life and sanity (ok, maybe too late for that one) of one of your loyal supporters.

    Thank you.


    This post was edited by Gyldervane at April 27, 2019 4:36 PM PDT
    • 1436 posts
    April 27, 2019 12:09 PM PDT

    maybe vr is looking for a few pirates.  YARRRRRRRGGGG!

    • 2 posts
    April 27, 2019 3:11 PM PDT

    I took it to mean that their very existence was, itself, the blaspheme. THEY are not blaspheming--whatever created them did. They're ghosts or constructs or something, and thus acting in a way that perverts something sacred. Blaspheme in that case would be accurate. 

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    April 27, 2019 3:36 PM PDT

    Then perhaps it was a "y" that was dropped off and it should have been the ultimate blasphemy. After all ... y not?

    • 44 posts
    April 27, 2019 3:44 PM PDT

    My guess would be that a blasphemer is one who blasphemes and blasphemy is what the blasphemer is doing ware as the blaspheme is the thing itsself??

    • 209 posts
    April 27, 2019 4:42 PM PDT

    dorotea said:

    Then perhaps it was a "y" that was dropped off and it should have been the ultimate blasphemy. After all ... y not?

    Haha. But you're right, if they're saying that the mob is itself the expression of some external blasphemer, then it should be called an Ulthiran Blasphemy. In that case it would be a Y causing me all of this heartache rather than an R. Oh, Y me?!?

    • 99 posts
    April 27, 2019 6:26 PM PDT
    My guess is those are the easy mobs and further on in the dungeon they turn into Blasphemer’s.
    • 174 posts
    April 27, 2019 8:13 PM PDT
    As blaspheme is a verb and the ulthirian balspheme mobs appear to be spirits. One might argue that they could be representations of the last actions of an ulthirian blasphemer, as their actions are immortalized as spirits instead of their being.
    • 200 posts
    April 28, 2019 6:06 AM PDT

    Maybe it's like the F word or Sh**?? Universal!? 

    There's an "Ulthiran Sh**", then there's the boss "Ulthiran Sh**ter.? 

     

    Looks legit to me.


    This post was edited by WarKnight at April 28, 2019 6:09 AM PDT
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    April 28, 2019 6:49 AM PDT

    Xurtan said:

    I took it to mean that their very existence was, itself, the blaspheme. THEY are not blaspheming--whatever created them did. They're ghosts or constructs or something, and thus acting in a way that perverts something sacred. Blaspheme in that case would be accurate. 

     

    Yea, I think you got it right.

    There is a Blasphemer and those are his little Blasphemes (an individual "curse" spoken). The OP might be trying to attach the word to the entitie when in fact the entitie itself is the manifestation of the actual  curse that was spoken by the Blasphemer. 

     

    That's not confusing at all! 


    This post was edited by WarKnight at April 28, 2019 7:04 AM PDT
    • 223 posts
    April 28, 2019 7:36 AM PDT

    They are named that way so Gyldervan will go insane and kill them all on sight every time he sees one :)

    It's not a spelling error, its a custom gameplay feature designed for you.


    This post was edited by Yaladan at April 28, 2019 7:38 AM PDT
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    April 28, 2019 11:39 AM PDT
    From Joppa’s comment that was “overlooked” during the commentary.

    Blaspheme is the common spawn and Blasphemer would be a “named” or rare spawn for greater reward from loot/quest.

    Not sure if that helps with anyone’s sanity though. ;)
    • 209 posts
    April 28, 2019 12:21 PM PDT

    Yaladan said:

    They are named that way so Gyldervan will go insane and kill them all on sight every time he sees one :)

    It's not a spelling error, its a custom gameplay feature designed for you.

    Lol, that didn’t occur to me! It all makes sense now!

    All kidding aside though, I get what some folks are saying about how the mob might be meant to represent an individual curse of some (so far) unseen blasphemer. But in that case, the mob should be called a blasphemy, not a blaspheme. A blasphemy is something one can be (if one’s very existence is somehow an insult to something sacred). Blaspheming is something one does. You can say that the blasphemer blasphemes a mob into existence, but the little mob created by his blaspheming would then be called a blasphemy. To reiterate:

    Blasphemer = One who insults the sacred (noun)

    Blaspheme = To insult the sacred—what the blasphemer does (verb)

    Blasphemy = The insult itself (noun)

    As a more commonplace example, think of the words punisher, punish, and punishment. Maybe there’s a Punisher boss mob somewhere, and all of his little minions are somehow the physical manifestations of his punishing behavior. That would make each one a Punishment. You wouldn’t call the minion an “Ulthiran Punish.” That makes no sense. You would call it an “Ulthiran Punishment.” Blasphemer, blaspheme, and blasphemy work exactly the same way. You can be a blasphemer or you can be a blasphemy, but you can’t be a blaspheme. It's just not allowed.

    I should add here that I know this is kind of a silly topic, and I didn’t start the thread to be a know-it-all or a nitpicker. I just wanted to bring this to VR’s attention because I’ve seen it in multiple streams now, and thought I would offer a bit of free editing advice while the game is still in development. Contrary to my ravings in the original post, I will still play and enjoy the game even if VR never sees fit to change the name of the mob. But it’s still kind of fun to quibble about it. :)

    • 71 posts
    April 28, 2019 12:50 PM PDT

    This is a proper name, yes?  I don't think those rules apply.

     

    --- My opinions are not humble, they are just my opinions. ---

    • 223 posts
    April 28, 2019 1:34 PM PDT

    msk12 said:

    This is a proper name, yes?  I don't think those rules apply.

     

    --- My opinions are not humble, they are just my opinions. ---

    You are correct, you could call the npc a Blasphemerer just to add more insanity and 2 extra R's for good measure :)

    • 15 posts
    April 29, 2019 12:19 PM PDT

    Xurtan said:

    I took it to mean that their very existence was, itself, the blaspheme. THEY are not blaspheming--whatever created them did. They're ghosts or constructs or something, and thus acting in a way that perverts something sacred. Blaspheme in that case would be accurate. 

     

    this guy explains it all, /thread

    • 193 posts
    April 29, 2019 12:48 PM PDT

    bandit said:

    Xurtan said:

    I took it to mean that their very existence was, itself, the blaspheme. THEY are not blaspheming--whatever created them did. They're ghosts or constructs or something, and thus acting in a way that perverts something sacred. Blaspheme in that case would be accurate. 

     

    this guy explains it all, /thread

    Yeah, it annoyed me at first, but those NPCs are the manifestations of the blasphemer's blasphemy. Or, something like that.

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    April 29, 2019 2:14 PM PDT

    WarKnight said:

    Maybe it's like the F word or Sh**?? Universal!? 

    There's an "Ulthiran Sh**", then there's the boss "Ulthiran Sh**ter.? 

     

    Looks legit to me.

    Ulthiran Shizno....


    This post was edited by Vandraad at April 29, 2019 2:14 PM PDT
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    April 29, 2019 2:23 PM PDT

    Xurtan said:

    I took it to mean that their very existence was, itself, the blaspheme. THEY are not blaspheming--whatever created them did. They're ghosts or constructs or something, and thus acting in a way that perverts something sacred. Blaspheme in that case would be accurate. 

    Aayden said: As blaspheme is a verb and the ulthirian balspheme mobs appear to be spirits. One might argue that they could be representations of the last actions of an ulthirian blasphemer, as their actions are immortalized as spirits instead of their being.

    Between Xurtan and Aayden I dont know who is the winne .

     

    (You see what I did there? And so again the cycle begins...)

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    • 402 posts
    April 29, 2019 2:51 PM PDT

    This whole thread made me chuckle. Thanks for the Monday laugh. I don't have an answer on what the true spelling is but I can tell you there is at least a few misspellings I have found already. Those are generally something we will fix later in the production cycle. However, I do like the whole Blaspheme as a proper noun idea.

    • 223 posts
    April 29, 2019 3:50 PM PDT

    The whole idea of changing the name after all this fun is pure blasphemy!

    • 2886 posts
    April 29, 2019 6:05 PM PDT

    Gyldervane said:

    If that little one-letter error makes it into the finished game, it will drive me buggy every time I set foot in Halnir Cave. It will ruin my sense of immersion, and I may find myself unable to continue playing. Before you know it, I’ll be returning to WoW and its ilk, settling for a sub-par mmo experience and missing out on a far superior experience in Pantheon, all because I couldn’t handle seeing that one misnamed mob. Please VR, don’t force me to go down that dark path.

    That escalated quickly.

    • 154 posts
    April 29, 2019 6:32 PM PDT

    Artois said:

    This whole thread made me chuckle. Thanks for the Monday laugh. I don't have an answer on what the true spelling is but I can tell you there is at least a few misspellings I have found already. Those are generally something we will fix later in the production cycle. However, I do like the whole Blaspheme as a proper noun idea.

     

    Great! I am glad you guys are focused on more important tasks like animations, dungeons and cities design, abilities, passives, ressources, and bugs fixes. Keep up the good work!