**Disclaimer** This isn't a "WHAT WILL WORK PLZ" post as of course we don't "know".
More of a "Hey...storytime!"
So I'm in a fun situation where I will be purchasing 3 computers for this game.
Basically my system is 5+ years old and I only really play an EQ Emu server on it, my son's laptop is mainly for his homeschooling and Minecraft, and my wife's all-in-one desktop is for her to do embroidery program stuff and because she wanted it because it was "pretty". I'm pretty sure none of our machines will be able to run P:RoTF to any degree.
I decided instead of waiting and taking the hit all at once, I would start now, so I spec'd a PC for my son (his BDAY soon so figured it's an easy out for that too - Go Dad!)
Here's the important stuff:
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC (8GB DDR5)
16GB 2133 DDR4 Ram
Asus ROG STRIX Z270E Mobo (i like the built in AC on this!)
Intel 7th Gen i7-7700K
I'm thinking by the time this game rolls out we should still be able to crack back the settings on it for an enjoyable experience (handing him down my 1080p 27" monitor so not shooting for 1440 or 4k).
Of course any opinions are appreciated. I'm not really a hardware junkie, so I kinda just went off reviews on Amazon for the individual parts :P
I'll give the predictable reply.
(1) This question has been asked fairly often and there are threads out there though I haven't seen it asked recently (insert locked thread bat).
(2) It is far too early to have much of an idea what hardware elements will be needed/useful by the time of release - obviously the better a computer you get the better the odds that you will be able to play at higher settings.
(3) Computers aren't changing nearly as fast as they used to change - in part because of greater focus on tablets and phones. So nothing is as likely to become obsolete quickly as might have been the case 5 years ago.
(4) Pantheon will not, repeat NOT, require a high end system to play effectively unless someone screws up drastically. This is not to say that a better machine may not improve performance but it will be designed to allow normal machines to play it well not just barely. This element of Vanguard's failure is front and center in VR's thinking.
vjek said:Wait until a month before launch. You will get better hardware and more performance per dollar if you wait.
Agree with this completely - the game probably wont launch until Summer-Winter of 2018. You are better off waiting for the next series of video cards from Nvidia as a 1070 this time next year will be an 1170 - at the same exact price just more performance. The 7700k will probably drop in price by that point.
One of my big things when purchasing CPUs is I ask myself "Will I REALLY NEED to overclock the CPU. More often times then not you dont need to and you can easily just by the non 'k' version which will save you $30-$40 right off the bat.
Realistically you could just say "I'll play Pantheon at 60 FPS for the first year, then buy a 1270". While waiting is sometimes good, I imagine a lot of people (myself included) are playing other titles as well. Buying a 1070 today is not a bad idea at all.
As far as overclocking goes, it's kind of silly not to. You get a substantial increase in performance for a very slightly higher price tag. I mean, Sandy/Ivy Bridge overclocked upwards of 4.7GHz (which is really easy to do) is competitive with the 7700k. My 4790k at 4.6Ghz is less than a 5-7% performance upgrade moving to a 7700k with a slightly lower OC. It is absolutely worth doing.
Processors are experiencing extreme diminishing returns in performance. A 7700k with a decent OC is not going to be performing much worse than brand new processors 5-7 years from now. It's just physics. The thermal conditions are not necessarily improving much either with this 14nm architecture. The 7700k is pretty warm compared to the Skylake chip it's a refresh of.
I'm an impatient person and I don't like waiting. I just bought a new 1070 yesterday and I don't regret it. I won't regret it when I sell it for $250 next year and pick up a new 1170 for $500. That's just the nature of PC components.
So yeah I realize the whole "wait because it will be cheaper" bit. Lol. As stated, its also my son's birthday so I'm getting him a computer anyway.
Some of this is good stuff though. I will look into the diff video card, and I didn't even think about the overclocking bit on the processor!
Thats more of why I posted this, for some other opinions/insight on what I am planning to purchase soon, regardless of shifting tech prices/new stuff coming out later/etc.
Thanks!!
Note, Brad's high end graphics card he's testing the game with is a GeForce GTX 960 2GB card. A 1070 is quite a bit doggone more than that.
Those sorts of PC specs, I'm assuming, will likely max out refresh rates at 1080p, and probably play in 2k/4k with good framerate.
I would concentrate on a good monitor and solid state disk space of some sort. Those two things will have a longer life.
People often forget about the monitor when it's the #1 thing you're using on a computer more than anything else ... get one that doesn't suck. But it appears you got that covered already. ;-)
A 1070 in all likelihood will not get you 144 FPS @ 1080p, and will struggle to do 60 FPS @ 1440p in a raid environment.
There's no way an MMO with a high level of graphical fidelity can manage that. For instance, For Honor isn't an MMO and yet I have to turn quite a bit of stuff down to get 144+ @ 1080p. At 1440p, 144 FPS is basically impossible.
Pantheon doesn't look anywhere near as good as For Honor, however, but you have considerably more players to render simultaneously.
With a 4790k@4.6Ghz and a 1070, I expect to run Pantheon locked at 72 FPS with textures, anisotropy, and antialiasing maxed out. I say 72 because it divides evenly into 144 so it'll be a relatively consistent stutter-free experience. Chances are it'll still dip below 72 in a full raid, however.
I will be Buying a new Rig closer to Retail release of Pantheon personally.
that being said once Pre Alpha, Alpha are opened up im sure people will be able to relay what they are using and how well it is running on there current systems to give people a real idea what will be needed with no BS.
that is ofcourse if Pre Alpha Members are aloud to post that information.
so i would atleast wait till people get in to game before you go out and buy anything
lambasted said:**Disclaimer** This isn't a "WHAT WILL WORK PLZ" post as of course we don't "know".
More of a "Hey...storytime!"
So I'm in a fun situation where I will be purchasing 3 computers for this game.
Basically my system is 5+ years old and I only really play an EQ Emu server on it, my son's laptop is mainly for his homeschooling and Minecraft, and my wife's all-in-one desktop is for her to do embroidery program stuff and because she wanted it because it was "pretty". I'm pretty sure none of our machines will be able to run P:RoTF to any degree.
I decided instead of waiting and taking the hit all at once, I would start now, so I spec'd a PC for my son (his BDAY soon so figured it's an easy out for that too - Go Dad!)
Here's the important stuff:
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC (8GB DDR5)
16GB 2133 DDR4 Ram
Asus ROG STRIX Z270E Mobo (i like the built in AC on this!)
Intel 7th Gen i7-7700K
I'm thinking by the time this game rolls out we should still be able to crack back the settings on it for an enjoyable experience (handing him down my 1080p 27" monitor so not shooting for 1440 or 4k).
Of course any opinions are appreciated. I'm not really a hardware junkie, so I kinda just went off reviews on Amazon for the individual parts :P
Before some of the other software was available we had 7 towers in the house all playing EQ1
Nuts? completely nuts, but it was fun as hell playing your own group. I like to bot BOX, i like to group with others, and enjoy my free time playing a couple of accounts.
Do i bother others NO, i will even ask if they want to join me. But P is a completely different game so it might be very difficult getting used to even just 2 accounts on 2 towers.
Spanking mobs all day might become messy from what i understand from the twitch reviews.
Costs get very expensive trying to beef each tower up. I do recommend if you want, to search out for some used Arma 3 type CPU 3.5ghz i7 cpus approx 3770k if you can then pop in some decent 60fps + video cards cheap.
16gb is nice but it gets expensive after awhile.
30 yrs in computer builds and IT work, i have to many resources so everyone can not just pickup parts and build an extra tower.
p.s i keep all i7 cpus when i can.
But i agree with you, i do enjoy having fun like that, this....
Honestly by what ive seen it doesn't seem to require a lot of hardware to play, granted i know you can't tell by looking at a game and see how much it takes and im also not saying the graphics look bad becuase they look great and i'm sure they will be a ton better once it becomes launched, but with today's tech it pretty easy to make an excellent game and not go overboard on the hardware, sure you can upgrade it to go from 60fps to 100 but 60 fps is still quite good even though 100fps is a lot better.
Vade said:Note, Brad's high end graphics card he's testing the game with is a GeForce GTX 960 2GB card. A 1070 is quite a bit doggone more than that.
Those sorts of PC specs, I'm assuming, will likely max out refresh rates at 1080p, and probably play in 2k/4k with good framerate.
I would concentrate on a good monitor and solid state disk space of some sort. Those two things will have a longer life.
People often forget about the monitor when it's the #1 thing you're using on a computer more than anything else ... get one that doesn't suck. But it appears you got that covered already. ;-)
yeah was planning on putting 500GB Samsung SSD in. i guess it should have been listed in the "important stuff" hehe.
Liav said:60 FPS is good, 144 FPS is like freshly shaven legs. It should honestly be considered the new standard.
I would agree, but for Pantheon, it doesn't matter all that much.
At its core, Pantheon is still a paper and dice game where the real action is computed and shot out as text.
For a FPS shooter, I'm with ya.
lambasted said:**Disclaimer** This isn't a "WHAT WILL WORK PLZ" post as of course we don't "know".
More of a "Hey...storytime!"
So I'm in a fun situation where I will be purchasing 3 computers for this game.
Basically my system is 5+ years old and I only really play an EQ Emu server on it, my son's laptop is mainly for his homeschooling and Minecraft, and my wife's all-in-one desktop is for her to do embroidery program stuff and because she wanted it because it was "pretty". I'm pretty sure none of our machines will be able to run P:RoTF to any degree.
I decided instead of waiting and taking the hit all at once, I would start now, so I spec'd a PC for my son (his BDAY soon so figured it's an easy out for that too - Go Dad!)
Here's the important stuff:
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC (8GB DDR5)
16GB 2133 DDR4 Ram
Asus ROG STRIX Z270E Mobo (i like the built in AC on this!)
Intel 7th Gen i7-7700K
I'm thinking by the time this game rolls out we should still be able to crack back the settings on it for an enjoyable experience (handing him down my 1080p 27" monitor so not shooting for 1440 or 4k).
Of course any opinions are appreciated. I'm not really a hardware junkie, so I kinda just went off reviews on Amazon for the individual parts :P
This game is too distant in my opinion to even start planning PCs around it. I would wait a year or so.
The game is still too far out to be making hardware choices if you have not bought yet. Yes, the game obviously plays on existing hardware, but it's so far from release by the time it gets here you can get much better equipment for the same dollar.
Unity is on track to release new, major engine versions every couple years. Unity 5 launched over 2 years ago, which means 6 is almost due. Pantheon may still be early enough in development to update to Unity 6 when it is released, which likely will be before the game launches. Who knows what new graphics features or physics will be added that may be more demanding on your system?
