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Attributes and Classes

    • 1986 posts
    July 12, 2016 11:44 AM PDT

    First Ill say that this is just fun speculation as I have no idea of the devs gnome design, beyond the lore and look. But based on those things here are my thoughts:

     

    I think that thier artificial bodies are like vessels for their souls. Their main body being basically a soul mass or astral in nature. Keeping that in mind that also means they shouldnt have much in the way of strength or weight capacity(if that is a thing). So plate mail and heavy weapons and shields should be out. As well as any class that would require strength as a main stat (dexterity based classes could be fine). The outer shell could have a decent amout of defense (not horrible but not that good), but would be very vulnerable to projectile attacks. Their souls mass would very strong against most magical atacks, but very weak to astral or psychic type damage (could make them a good candidate for a tank that specializes in magic mitigation?)

     

    Classes:

    Crusader and Warrior and Monk would be out.

     

    Cleric and Dire Lord could work but they wouldnt be able to wear plate and no heavy weapon type for Dire Lord (for possible scenario of needing a max performance magic mitigation tank?) Either way Im kinda iffy about these 2. Maybe Dire Lord would be a no as well simply based on race alignment? As in Gnomes are considered a good race?. I that be the case a future magic based or mitigation tank could still be ideal.

     

    All other magic classes (including Bard and Necro would depend on the races alignment if that is a thing) shouls work.

     

    Rogue and Ranger being more dex or dex/int/wis should work as well.

    • 718 posts
    July 12, 2016 1:52 PM PDT

    I like most of what you've laid out here.  I'm very much looking forward to how the lore of the Gnomes influences their form in-game and if that will directly impact the classes they can be.  The other thing may be that they're lore has no effect on the classes they can be and the team goes with the more traditional aligment for determining class restrictions - though this seems unlikely given how very different these Gnomes are from anything we've seen previously.

    The other thing to consider is where these Gnomes land on the alignment chart.  It seems to me that they generally fit better in the Neutral vein, though I've seen them both good and evil elsewhere.  Given what we know about their lore, these Gnomes scream Neutral.


    This post was edited by Nikademis at July 12, 2016 1:53 PM PDT
    • 1986 posts
    July 12, 2016 2:08 PM PDT
    I was thinking the same on alignment but wasnt sure
    • 105 posts
    August 11, 2016 11:27 AM PDT

    But, but, I really really want to play a heavily clad Dire Lord  Gnome :'') (Insert a dark, tragic and sinister story line here)

    Heh, jokes aside, I am extremely interested to find out new race information. Do you guys believe there will be restrictions on choosing classes concerning specific races? 

    Sincerely,

    C.

    • 1986 posts
    August 11, 2016 12:59 PM PDT
    Don't take this too seriously. I was just speculating and bored. ^.^

    But yes there will be race/class limitations. What those will be is unsure. Probably safe to use EQ/VG as a general guide. You can also tell some things from the lore. If the halflings lore is any indication there won't be any Halfling Dires or Necros.
    • 105 posts
    August 11, 2016 11:21 PM PDT

    Thank you for that response Amsai :) 

    Well, nothing to do then to look forward to the new information on classes. 

    Sincerely,

    C.

    • 181 posts
    September 22, 2016 10:55 PM PDT

    One thing I've always disliked are gnome races playing tank type classes. I can understand a rogue or mage type but never a warrior. Please, no gnome warriors.


    This post was edited by Aayden at September 26, 2016 12:26 AM PDT
    • 252 posts
    September 28, 2016 5:41 PM PDT

    Nice post Amsai. I bet you are in the right line of thinking with Gnomes not having much strength capacity due to their ethereal form, but I sure do hope they somehow justify the Gnome/Dire Lord for selfish reasons. Maybe their "spirit fog" is strong enough for plate and heavy weapons when it's reinforced and focused with the Maq'esh. Gnome ingenuity knows no bounds my friends. They could figure out a way. :D

    What if they allows Gnome Dire Lords, but only have them be able to equip Resivore based gear? Maybe Resivore heavy armor and weapons could feel lighter due to the Gnomes' natural attunement with the material.

    I loved my Gnome SK... ;(

    • 108 posts
    October 20, 2016 7:51 AM PDT

    If I were going to build myself a replacement physical body I would totally give it awesome battle powers. Definitely room in the lore for tanky type gnomes. Moreso than standard flesh and blood Gnomes anyway.

    • 1986 posts
    October 20, 2016 9:47 AM PDT
    You could very well be right. I was just basing it on the fact that what is keeping them together was a magical cloth. But they could have plate versions too I suppose.
    • 108 posts
    October 21, 2016 9:29 AM PDT

    Still not my thing though personally. Seems like they could be swept aside too easily. Suppose you can always explain that away with 'magic'.

    • 4451 posts
    November 10, 2016 3:31 PM PST

    All this assumption that DLs will be plate wearers like SKs. I see no evidence for that. I think it's much more likely that DLs will play kinda like a cross between a necro and a VG blood mage and will therefore be cloth users. I think it's pretty realistic that gnome DLs will be playable.

    • 1986 posts
    November 15, 2016 10:19 AM PST
    Fun speculation. That's all. Eventually we will have actual info.
    • 1 posts
    December 5, 2016 6:31 AM PST

    Gnomes should be able to be anything - Gnome monk has been a dream of mine since everquest, they are ethereal and could easily have a a gnome ninja type of flow.

    • 1986 posts
    December 5, 2016 2:34 PM PST
    Well under that reasoning I could agree. They are after all the most intelligent, competent, skilled and beautiful of the races. So they should be able to do everything short of fly spaceships........ oh wait......
    • 718 posts
    December 5, 2016 3:34 PM PST

    Bazgrim said:

    All this assumption that DLs will be plate wearers like SKs. I see no evidence for that. I think it's much more likely that DLs will play kinda like a cross between a necro and a VG blood mage and will therefore be cloth users.

    This has been confirmed for a long time.  DLs = Tank.  I suppose you could be right in that they don't wear plate, though their role will most certainly be tank.  So as cool as a necro/blood mage hybrid sounds, I don't think that's where the DL is going to reside.  With that said, the team has said that the DL has seen some changes from the original Kickstarter description, so you never know.  Light/medium armor wearing tanks are not unheard of these days.

    But I digress.

    • 4451 posts
    December 6, 2016 6:58 AM PST

    Nikademis said:

    Bazgrim said:

    All this assumption that DLs will be plate wearers like SKs. I see no evidence for that. I think it's much more likely that DLs will play kinda like a cross between a necro and a VG blood mage and will therefore be cloth users.

    This has been confirmed for a long time.  DLs = Tank.  I suppose you could be right in that they don't wear plate, though their role will most certainly be tank.  So as cool as a necro/blood mage hybrid sounds, I don't think that's where the DL is going to reside.  With that said, the team has said that the DL has seen some changes from the original Kickstarter description, so you never know.  Light/medium armor wearing tanks are not unheard of these days.

    But I digress.

    Yeah I have since seen the original Kickstarter announcement which kinda killed my conspiracy theory. But as you say, it is always possible (albeit extremely unlikely) that they will significantly change their mind. As a side note, hopefully DLs dont become like similar DLs/SKs in other games where they're really good at getting aggro but as soon as they have aggro, they take hits like a chump.

    P.S. I highly doubt there will be a non-plate-wearing tank.

    • 1986 posts
    December 12, 2016 8:00 PM PST

    From the 3rd and recent stream when they were decribing the Gnome, the are described as seekers of power and knowledge of the arcane. Even if that leads to death. This could be a big clue about what kind of classes they can be. Though I guess that also depends on how strictly Gnomes adhere to this philosophy. But just based on that description I would venture magic classes, and only those that would be considered arcane (spirit/life/death/divine magics would be out). It also suggests them to be Chaotic Neutral, because the only thing that would matter is their freedom to pursue power. 

     

     

    But assuming only magics that pursue knowledge of the arcane:

     

    Cleric: No (divine/spiritual)

     

    Crusader: No (Hybrid of Cleric and Warrior basically)

     

    Warrior: Non-magic

     

    Dire Lord: Maybe / I would consider it to be just Life/Death magic, but D&D actually does count it as an Arcane school of knowledge.

     

    Ranger: No (Hybrid of Druid and and Archer basically)

     

    Rogue: Maybe / I would generally classify as non-magic, but consider two things: 1) Cohn was playing as a Gnome Rogue (not official I know) and more importantly 2) Their ability to use alchemy that is built into their class skills which however limited is of the Arcane. Reaching? possibly.

     

    Monk: No (usually uses Ki or Chi if any sort of magic which is typically mental/psychic and sometimes spiritual in nature)

     

    Summoner: Yes (100% Arcane approved)

     

    Enchanter: Yes (100% Arcane approved)

     

    Wizard: Yes (100% Arcane approved)

     

    Druid: No (divine/spiritual/and sometimes Nature magic)

     

    Shaman: No (divine/spiritual)

     

    Bard: Maybe / I would say its just song magic, but D&D actually does count it as an Arcane school of knowledge. Also I am Biased towards Bard, and Bards are seekers of lore and knowledge as well.

     

    Necromancer: Maybe / I would consider it to be just Life/Death magic, but D&D actually does count it as an Arcane school of knowledge.

     

     

    P.S. This is just me being bored and speculating based on the Devs emphasis on Gnomes obsession with the Arcane.

     


    This post was edited by Amsai at December 12, 2016 8:06 PM PST
    • 1915 posts
    December 31, 2016 5:27 PM PST

    With their artificial bodies, I do not see why they could not play a tank class. Traditional Gnomes, probably not. But these with mechanical or what not bodies, yes. They could easily craft a body out of tough materials. Similar to Warforged in Eberron DnD.

    They prefer magic, so maybe Dire Lord over Warriors.


    This post was edited by Beefcake at December 31, 2016 6:11 PM PST
    • 4451 posts
    January 1, 2017 4:40 AM PST

    Beefcake said:

    With their artificial bodies, I do not see why they could not play a tank class. Traditional Gnomes, probably not. But these with mechanical or what not bodies, yes. They could easily craft a body out of tough materials. Similar to Warforged in Eberron DnD.

    They prefer magic, so maybe Dire Lord over Warriors.

    From what we've seen, their bodies are purely ethereal (no physical substance at all) and loosely wrapped in a unique type of cloth. Not mechanical. The mask is the only part that appears to be made of metal. This is all that keeps their "bodies" or life essence from dissipating into oblivion. Although I guess it's not inconceivable that they could have some sort of special magic metal plates surrounding their ethereal bodies in place of the cloth. And as the OP said, I think Necromantic magic could be included in their obsession with the arcane. So a Dire Lord, while pretty unlikely in my mind, is technically possible.

    • 1165 posts
    January 1, 2017 10:58 AM PST

    Bazgrim said:

    From what we've seen, their bodies are purely ethereal (no physical substance at all) and loosely wrapped in a unique type of cloth. Not mechanical. The mask is the only part that appears to be made of metal. This is all that keeps their "bodies" or life essence from dissipating into oblivion. Although I guess it's not inconceivable that they could have some sort of special magic metal plates surrounding their ethereal bodies in place of the cloth. And as the OP said, I think Necromantic magic could be included in their obsession with the arcane. So a Dire Lord, while pretty unlikely in my mind, is technically possible.

     

    Also, you could view the Maq'esh cloth as basically their skin.  When the skin is damaged, the essence escapes, just as blood does.  Then you could just have them wear armor over this 'skin'.  You could definitely find lore ways to have some of them be melee types.  They just figured out how to use their arcane essence in more physical ways, rather than casting spells.  I could see maybe some of them striving to come as close to a physical form as possible and yearning for their old bodies.  Maybe this is acceptable in their culture, or maybe they are shunned.  Either way, I could definitely see it. 

    • 1915 posts
    January 1, 2017 12:31 PM PST

    Gnome Dire Lords would be cool, but like the Ogres, I am afraid the heavy armor will cover up the cool look of their bodies.

    • 66 posts
    January 3, 2017 6:46 AM PST

    They have to allow gnome tanks, otherwise I would gnot be able to create Gnighteyes Gneehigh the Gnome Warrior.  Terminus gneeds him.  Gnever underestimate the sheer terror a tiny gnome with giant sword brings to evil denizens and starts their gnees gnocking.

    • 1915 posts
    January 4, 2017 3:05 PM PST

    I would not want you to be denied your Gnomish Gnomery.

    • 1915 posts
    January 5, 2017 8:09 AM PST

    These pictures of a Gnome with a huge shield leads credence to your hope of Gnome Warriors.

    http://pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/4934

    Could be a Cleric, but if they can be clerics, they should be able to be Warriors.