So I was reading this thread:
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/3215/matchmaking
and Brad was talking about veteran shards. Have I missed something here? I haven't been reading the forums as much as I did a little while ago so I might have missed some announcement or discussion on the subject. If this is going to be a real thing it really pleases me. I'd love to play on a veteran shard and hopefully it'd add a bit more challenge to the game as well.
I didn't know this was already going to be a thing. I'll have to discuss this with some of my other guild mates so that we can agree to play on that server rather than a normal server. I'm sure they'd be happy to try out the challenge.
I don't think there has been an official announcement of this, it may just be an idea/possibility they are discussing (that thread was the first I've read about the subject, from a dev, on these forums as well), but like you I would love if this does in fact becomes a reality.
Cromulent said:So I was reading this thread:
https://www.pantheonmmo.com/content/forums/topic/3215/matchmaking
and Brad was talking about veteran shards. Have I missed something here? I haven't been reading the forums as much as I did a little while ago so I might have missed some announcement or discussion on the subject. If this is going to be a real thing it really pleases me. I'd love to play on a veteran shard and hopefully it'd add a bit more challenge to the game as well.
I didn't know this was already going to be a thing. I'll have to discuss this with some of my other guild mates so that we can agree to play on that server rather than a normal server. I'm sure they'd be happy to try out the challenge.
I don't think this means what you think it means.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but...
The veteran shards aren't really supposed to be any harder than regular shards in the traditional sense, they're supposed be more "paying players only" and "no higher level help" shards. Right now the plan is to have the first few levels free to play for anyone at all on a trial account. Veteran servers will not be valid server choices for players with trial accounts. In addition to this several other little features designed to aid newer players get acclimated to this style of game (friend list matchmaking, mentor systems, etc.) will be completely disabled on veteran servers.
Vet servers aren't higher difficulty, they're less newbie friendly. You're a MMO veteran, you don't need help socializing with strangers and playing a group based game.
From the way it was used in the link above, it means a server without mentoring and perhaps other similar systems. It sounds like the idea is to forego some of the "convenience" that a normal server has, making it harder in a way. Players, myself included, have suggested "hardcore" shards in the past. Seeing as how veteran and hardcore are both terms used for hard modes in most games with difficulty settings, I'm guessing they're related.
Aich said:Yeah I am curious what the difference is. Brad just dropped it on that thread like it was a done deal.
Seems like it would segregate players in a bad way.
I agreed with this on another thread mentioning this. The fewer the shards the better otherwise you might fraction the PB to far
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Amsai said: I would hope there would be some Vets from older games left on the regular servers. Instead of a mad rush of oldschool playerbase to purposely segregate themselves from the "noobs". But that might be too much to ask.
Thats my thought as well. While I like helping new people or even running groups where I get nothing out of it I know a lot of the hardcore people might not want to be bothered.
I think he mentioned that 'normal' servers would have the first 1-10 levels where you get to try the game for free and the veteran shard wouldn't...
Really not that much of a difference I think
Nuemcy said:I think he mentioned that 'normal' servers would have the first 1-10 levels where you get to try the game for free and the veteran shard wouldn't...
Really not that much of a difference I think
That was one of the Ideas it was also mentioned something like no Mentoring as well as several other things but we do not know what those things might be.
They can make as many server types as they want IMO. So long as they make sure what ever rulesets they make doesnt complicate patches or any new features they may want to add down the line I dont see a problem with it. They'd need to make sure there is a large enough demand for at least 1 of each server type though. Of course, no transferring to different server types.
Other than that I dont think itll really segregate anyone. Not any more than completely separate servers with the same rulesets already do. Hell, they can make an F2P Cash Shop server for all I care so long as you cant transfer to or from those servers and add every item in the cash shop into P2P server loot tables.
I really don't like the idea of segragted servers based on vet and none vet, i would class my self as a vet but i would want to help out the new players as much as i can but to do that i don't want to feel like ive had to ignore all the old players who may have some great stories about old games.
truth be told as well i don't think it would have a positive effect at all, it could cause the normal servers to be empty because most people go to the vet servers anyway because they think people will be better players and i know none of us would admit to ever being elitst but i can easily see people being bullied out of vet servers because some players don't believe others are "vet" ehoguh.
this whole system seems like a can of worms that feels pointless to open.
Edit: one of the reasons for this system that was pitched by brad in the other thread was about mentoring and not having it on vet servers prehaps. well speaking from experience there is times where i would want to help out a buddies alt without having to make a new alt my self. I can't be the only one who thinks like this either. also on the idea of having a match making thing well i think people also need to realise this wouldnt be like wows current join queue and boom group, at least i hope not.
having the ability to find players based on class, time and even intrests if you feel like adding that doesn't seem like a bad thing even for vets. have you ever tried to make small talk in a group it can be a pain some times, knowing the guys in your group like dnd or somthing may help spark friendships. who knows i for one am intrested in seeing what they have to offer before claiming "no way am i using this" even as a vet player who knows all about the old gen 1 mmo style.
sorry for any typos, i admit im used to these things having spell checker.
Akailo said:I really don't like the idea of segragted servers based on vet and none vet, i would class my self as a vet but i would want to help out the new players as much as i can but to do that i don't want to feel like ive had to ignore all the old players who may have some great stories about old games.
truth be told as well i don't think it would have a positive effect at all, it could cause the normal servers to be empty because most people go to the vet servers anyway because they think people will be better players and i know none of us would admit to ever being elitst but i can easily see people being bullied out of vet servers because some players don't believe others are "vet" ehoguh.
this whole system seems like a can of worms that feels pointless to open.
Edit: one of the reasons for this system that was pitched by brad in the other thread was about mentoring and not having it on vet servers prehaps. well speaking from experience there is times where i would want to help out a buddies alt without having to make a new alt my self. I can't be the only one who thinks like this either. also on the idea of having a match making thing well i think people also need to realise this wouldnt be like wows current join queue and boom group, at least i hope not.
having the ability to find players based on class, time and even intrests if you feel like adding that doesn't seem like a bad thing even for vets. have you ever tried to make small talk in a group it can be a pain some times, knowing the guys in your group like dnd or somthing may help spark friendships. who knows i for one am intrested in seeing what they have to offer before claiming "no way am i using this" even as a vet player who knows all about the old gen 1 mmo style.
sorry for any typos, i admit im used to these things having spell checker.
Yeah I am of this opinion as well. I think this 'Veteran' server idea needs to be rethinked.
Aich said:Akailo said:I really don't like the idea of segragted servers based on vet and none vet, i would class my self as a vet but i would want to help out the new players as much as i can but to do that i don't want to feel like ive had to ignore all the old players who may have some great stories about old games.
truth be told as well i don't think it would have a positive effect at all, it could cause the normal servers to be empty because most people go to the vet servers anyway because they think people will be better players and i know none of us would admit to ever being elitst but i can easily see people being bullied out of vet servers because some players don't believe others are "vet" ehoguh.
this whole system seems like a can of worms that feels pointless to open.
Edit: one of the reasons for this system that was pitched by brad in the other thread was about mentoring and not having it on vet servers prehaps. well speaking from experience there is times where i would want to help out a buddies alt without having to make a new alt my self. I can't be the only one who thinks like this either. also on the idea of having a match making thing well i think people also need to realise this wouldnt be like wows current join queue and boom group, at least i hope not.
having the ability to find players based on class, time and even intrests if you feel like adding that doesn't seem like a bad thing even for vets. have you ever tried to make small talk in a group it can be a pain some times, knowing the guys in your group like dnd or somthing may help spark friendships. who knows i for one am intrested in seeing what they have to offer before claiming "no way am i using this" even as a vet player who knows all about the old gen 1 mmo style.
sorry for any typos, i admit im used to these things having spell checker.
Yeah I am of this opinion as well. I think this 'Veteran' server idea needs to be rethinked.
Spot on I agree. PLenty of times I didnt feel like rerolling an alt when a friend started playing or another friend started a new alt because the guild needed it. I had a Paladin and a bard in EQ2 I didnt want any other toons I didnt want to be tempted to use DKP to gear up a third alt. But there are plenty of times I would mentor down and help friends. Hell I would even mentor down and help randoms 30 or 40 levels below me for no other reason then I felt like it.
Vetern servers that remove this can hurt the group based feel not to mention make people thing every other server is a noob server.
As long as every server that is launched does not decimate another servers population in order to populate the new server, im pro different rule sets. Something that I think SOE has taught us though, is that once you begin merging servers due to lack of population, you start encountering problems that you may not have realized at the onset. I personally would choose to play on the most difficult server available if there was a option to. But if that server ever had to merge with another server, which rule set would be used? Im not sure that a RP server population would enjoy being forced to join a Veteran servers population, or a Hard Core Veteran servers population would enjoy joining with a normal server with all those "filthy casuals" lol. Just food for thought.
I don't like the idea people keep repeating that the vet servers somehow won't be friendly to new players. If anything it's possible that they would be MORE friendly because there aren't hand holding mechanics in place. There are so many ways to support lower level characters without mentoring.
That said, I'm not super keen on the idea regardless. I'd need to know more.